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Old December 12, 1998, 02:06 PM   #1
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I am looking for great hunting and accuracy loads for this caliber. Never having used it before, I am a newbie to this particular caliber. Since it is not in vogue now, I hope that some "old timer" out there has some data.
The rifle in question is a Dakota 76 action,
28" Pac Nor Super Match barrel, and a custom composite stock.
I am building it as a monument to my Mentor, who is unfortunately deceased, so he can not provide me with any loads. (I distrust Ouija boards when it comes to getting loading data.)
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Old December 12, 1998, 03:34 PM   #2
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Mad Dog,I don't have any experience with this caliber but, if you can get a hold of Hodgdons #26 they have loads for your Norma with Hodgdon,IMR,WW,and
Norma powder this should start you off well.

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Old December 12, 1998, 03:34 PM   #3
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Mad Dog,I don't have any experience with this caliber but, if you can get a hold of Hodgdons #26 they have loads for your Norma with Hodgdon,IMR,WW,and
Norma powder this should start you off well.

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Old December 12, 1998, 04:19 PM   #4
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I have the Hodgdon book, as well as a slew of others.
I was hoping for some whiz bang insider info, rather than the bland stuff offered in the factory books. I have some time on this, as the rifle is not yet complete, and it will be a couple of months before it is done. Had I been drawn for Elk this year, there would have been greater impetus to finish the new toy.

Thanks though.
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Old December 12, 1998, 04:49 PM   #5
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Your Rabidness: I suggest you go to shooter's links, and look up the various powder and component makers to obtain the LATEST data for this caliber.

Here is the URL:
http://www.gunsprings.com/1ndex.html

Rots of ruck, YR, I checked out Win, Hodgdon, and Alliance (IMR) while there without any success.

If all else fails I have a Hodgdon Reloading Manual #26 which DOES have .358 Norma Mag loading data. This I will make available to you for a reasonable compensation.

Remember, I TOLD you that was a weird caliber when you first mentioned it!! Walt
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Old December 12, 1998, 05:29 PM   #6
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Your Rabidness; Norma does not appear to have a website. Here is contact info to see if they can provide any data for this cartridge.

NORMA


81 Ruckman Road
Closter, NJ 07624
Phone (201)767-1995
Fax (201)767-1589


As for your hope that there any old timer's out there who have old data available, Darwinian selection would have eliminated these obvious defects from the gene pool by now. Walt
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Old December 12, 1998, 06:31 PM   #7
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Sorry, Walt, but this is one devotee of the .358 Norma Mag that Darwin has missed. So far...

There are others out there that shoot this fine cartridge, which blows the doors off of the .338 Win Mag., and is easier to control than the beastly .358 Shooting Times Alaskan.

When last I spoke to Steven Segal, he told me that it was his favorite Elk cartridge as well. He has a large spread in Montana that is replete with all of the desired fauna, and hunts there regularly. Darwin has missed him too, evidently.

Here in the wilds of Arizona, we do things a might differently from the methods of you city slickers. For example, we do not select a weapon's caliber simply because the local Walmart sells ammo for it.
We also love a challenge, and this gun is turning out to be one, both financially and philosophically.





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Old December 14, 1998, 10:44 AM   #8
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Found Norma's website but couldn't access. Try www.norma.cc
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Old December 14, 1998, 04:38 PM   #9
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Mad Dog,

Desired bullet weight is unknown, so, from the Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversions 1987, cites 1959 Norma Manual as providing the following:
250gr RN, 70gr IMR4350, vel=2650fps.

Cartridges of the World, 7th ed. lists loads & sources:
180grSP/69gr-IMR4895/mv3100/me3842(Speer)
200grSP/66.5gr-IMR3031/mv2900/me3736(Hornady)
200grSP/68gr-IMR4320/mv2900/me3736(Hornady)
225grSP/75gr-IMR4350/mv2900/me4203(Nosler)
250grSP/68gr-IMR4320/mv2800/me4353(Hornady)
250grSP/76gr-IMR4350/mv2700/me4048(Speer)
250grSP/66gr-H-4895/mv2800/me4353(Hornady)
250grSP/78gr-MRP/mv2500/me3470(Speer)
300grSP/71gr-IMR4350/mv2600/me4504(Barnes)

250grSP/Norma Factory Load/mv2790/me4322(Norma)

Do you need case dimensions?


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Old December 15, 1998, 08:28 PM   #10
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fal308; DAMN FINE work!! The reloading data are there!! Including Norma's latest powder. I am amazed that you were able to find this site; how did you do it??

So, Your Rabidness, now all you have to do is get some RWS Sinoxid primers and get to loading!

PS; the loads from Mykl are, in general, over the maximum listed in the Hodgdon #26 reloading manual.

Have fun, Kevin, and don't forget to check for amount of freebore. Once again, fal308; outstanding job of locating! Walt
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Old December 16, 1998, 01:29 PM   #11
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Thanks for the kind words. When searching I normally use Dogpile. It uses somewhere around 12-15 search engines at once and displays according to results for each individual engine seperately. Plus it allows you to additionally search on Metafind and one other engine(I forget which one) as an option after all the other results are posted. Go to www.dogpile.com HTH

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Old December 18, 1998, 07:23 AM   #12
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Fal308,

Thanks for the search engine tip. It is much more useful than serial searches from the MS All-in-one page.
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Old December 20, 1998, 06:51 PM   #13
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Thank you all for the help.
Merry Christmas.
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Old December 21, 1998, 08:49 PM   #14
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Mad Dog, There is some load data in PO Ackleys books circa early 60's just be CAREFUL with it if you go to use it.

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Old January 5, 1999, 12:58 PM   #15
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Here is the URL for Norma's site:

http://www.norma.cc/htm_files/framp1e.htm


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Old January 5, 1999, 12:59 PM   #16
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Here is the URL for Norma's site:

http://www.norma.cc/htm_files/framp1e.htm


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Old May 5, 2001, 05:50 AM   #17
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How has your 358 Norma project turned out?
Has it been hunting yet?
What loads have you used?
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Old May 5, 2001, 03:56 PM   #18
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Hm. Wondering how recoil compares to 9.3x64mm (which I believe I want for a safari rifle).
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