How many different shooting stances, positions and fast draw tactics to you use?

Doug.38PR · February 20, 2006, 10:58 PM

Most people I see at the range only practice the simple isosceles stance with both hands from 5-10 yards. I typically use the one handed method dueling stance, the fast draw crouching with my hand over the heart, the weaver stance every now and then, and recently I have picked up a few shooting stance that Chic Gaylord recommended in his book. The around corner stance (can't remember what exactly it is called but you peer around the corner and pin your gunless hand palm against the corner and rest the wrist with your gun in hand on your thumb to support your shot), Rock the Baby and the Border Patrol stance. The latter two I have found very interesting (and they seem to work quite well too). RtB seems to work well when you are picking off a careful shot in SA. Border Patrol seems like a good tactical stance and works well for DA and SA. You are kneeling down (low to the ground, and reducing yourself as a target) and are using your knee and the palm of your left hand as your gun stand to support your shot. You are essentially making your whole body a gun tripod of a sort. I try all of these methods at 20-25 yards away at least (would do 50 if I could but the indoor range I go to isn't that far) about 75% of the time

garrettwc · February 21, 2006, 12:37 AM

One. I believe in Hick's Law and the KISS principle.

I know how to do the others, but tend to revert to my main one. I try not to get wrapped up in stance. If your feet are in a "perfect stance" in a real fight, then you are standing there flat footed taking incoming fire instead of moving towards cover.

Just my .02

Dwight55 · February 21, 2006, 02:45 PM

See rules #4 and #7 for proper gunfighting:

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

We laugh at these, . . . joke about them, . . . but they are none the less very true.

If you are being shot at, . . . cover is your absolute, number one, priority, gotta be first priority.

If you are doing the shooting, . . . keep your target from obtaining any cover.

Yes, by all means it is good to know tactics, stances, etc, . . . but stay alive first, . . . shoot back later. Then allow your cover to dictate what stance or method you return fire.

May God bless,
Dwight

Sir William · February 21, 2006, 07:14 PM

That around the corner stance as you called it, it is a good way to get hurt. It works OK with semi-autos but, it can cause problems with revolvers. I don't suggest it as a practical exercise. The fact is, form does NOT follow function. Down and dirty, muscle memory and practice that reinforces instinct is what we should do in crisis. If we think, blink or stop to assess our form, BANG! You are dead.

Erick Gelhaus · February 21, 2006, 09:31 PM

This thread is closed. But i'm trying to figure out where to start on my reasoning ...

A body that bears little relation to the thread title? Yup;
An asked & answered repeatedly topic? This too;
A post that borders on violation of TFL Rule #4? For sure!

4) Mangling of the English language whether thru ignorance, age, sloth or intent diminishes and embarrasses each of us. Posts which are indecipherable due to inability to translate thoughts into coherent written statements will be deleted without explanation. Recidivists will be removed.

Interestingly enough, the written form of the English language includes paragraphs.

Doug - I tried to address through this through PM's. That attempt was apparently unsuccessful. I am now growing of PMs about your posts. I am not having this discussion again.

Erick

February 20, 2006, 10:58 PM	#1
Doug.38PR Junior member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Posts: 3,298	How many different shooting stances, positions and fast draw tactics to you use? Most people I see at the range only practice the simple isosceles stance with both hands from 5-10 yards. I typically use the one handed method dueling stance, the fast draw crouching with my hand over the heart, the weaver stance every now and then, and recently I have picked up a few shooting stance that Chic Gaylord recommended in his book. The around corner stance (can't remember what exactly it is called but you peer around the corner and pin your gunless hand palm against the corner and rest the wrist with your gun in hand on your thumb to support your shot), Rock the Baby and the Border Patrol stance. The latter two I have found very interesting (and they seem to work quite well too). RtB seems to work well when you are picking off a careful shot in SA. Border Patrol seems like a good tactical stance and works well for DA and SA. You are kneeling down (low to the ground, and reducing yourself as a target) and are using your knee and the palm of your left hand as your gun stand to support your shot. You are essentially making your whole body a gun tripod of a sort. I try all of these methods at 20-25 yards away at least (would do 50 if I could but the indoor range I go to isn't that far) about 75% of the time Last edited by Doug.38PR; February 20, 2006 at 11:32 PM.

February 21, 2006, 02:45 PM	#3
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,482	See rules #4 and #7 for proper gunfighting: 4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly. 7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived. We laugh at these, . . . joke about them, . . . but they are none the less very true. If you are being shot at, . . . cover is your absolute, number one, priority, gotta be first priority. If you are doing the shooting, . . . keep your target from obtaining any cover. Yes, by all means it is good to know tactics, stances, etc, . . . but stay alive first, . . . shoot back later. Then allow your cover to dictate what stance or method you return fire. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

February 21, 2006, 09:31 PM	#5
Erick Gelhaus Staff Emeritus Join Date: October 28, 1998 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,750	This thread is closed. But i'm trying to figure out where to start on my reasoning ... A body that bears little relation to the thread title? Yup; An asked & answered repeatedly topic? This too; A post that borders on violation of TFL Rule #4? For sure! 4) Mangling of the English language whether thru ignorance, age, sloth or intent diminishes and embarrasses each of us. Posts which are indecipherable due to inability to translate thoughts into coherent written statements will be deleted without explanation. Recidivists will be removed. Interestingly enough, the written form of the English language includes paragraphs. Doug - I tried to address through this through PM's. That attempt was apparently unsuccessful. I am now growing of PMs about your posts. I am not having this discussion again. Erick __________________ ***************** I'm really tired of silly nicknames, especially when the opinions expressed are equivalent.

February 21, 2006, 12:37 AM	#2
garrettwc Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2001 Posts: 641	One. I believe in Hick's Law and the KISS principle. I know how to do the others, but tend to revert to my main one. I try not to get wrapped up in stance. If your feet are in a "perfect stance" in a real fight, then you are standing there flat footed taking incoming fire instead of moving towards cover. Just my .02

February 21, 2006, 07:14 PM	#4
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	That around the corner stance as you called it, it is a good way to get hurt. It works OK with semi-autos but, it can cause problems with revolvers. I don't suggest it as a practical exercise. The fact is, form does NOT follow function. Down and dirty, muscle memory and practice that reinforces instinct is what we should do in crisis. If we think, blink or stop to assess our form, BANG! You are dead.