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Old February 15, 2006, 06:47 PM   #1
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Do-All Steel Resetting Target

I have a Do-All Steel Resetting Target (for 9mm to 30.06) that I have had for a while. I picked it up a few years ago because I was tired of punching paper. After assembling the target I noticed that the directions warn that you cannot shoot closer than 30 yards because of ricochets. I figured to hell with that and put the target away. I’m not a bull’s-eye guy that wants to stand so far back that I can barely see the target.

I’ve been thinking again on this though. Do you really have to be that far back or is it more of a warning like the ones that come in your gun manual that say that you should never carry the gun loaded?

Personally, I can’t see how a bullet can hit that target and come back at you. The way that the thing swings back you would think that the bullet would have to travel down into the dirt or back and down into the dirt. I would be shooting 9mm and 45ACP 230 ball at it.

Is this just a protection the company is using or is this a serious warning to abide by? If you can get closer than 30 yards to the thing how close is safe?

Thanks for any help. Hopefuly I'm not being an idiot even thinking about moving closer than 30 yards ...
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Old February 15, 2006, 07:10 PM   #2
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I have the .22 spinner one by Do-all, and I have shot at it from around 10-15 yards with 1000's of rounds with no problems.
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Old February 15, 2006, 07:12 PM   #3
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Odds: low.
Possible: very.

Anything hit dead on will come straight back. I once hit a baseball straight back at a pitching machine at 80mph. Knocked it right over. I'd rather not be that pitching machine, and certainly not if what's coming back is a bullet or a piece of one!
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Old February 15, 2006, 07:21 PM   #4
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I've got 3 of the spinner ones for 22 rimfire and never had a ricochet back at me from any distance however I have had some side ricochets due to hitting the frame instead of the spinner . Get a can of cheap orange paint to paint the spinners with , its cheaper than the stickers and lasts longer too . Paint both sides of the spinners so when you shoot the paint off one side you can repaint it and turn the target around and shoot the other side while the first side dryes .
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Old February 15, 2006, 07:24 PM   #5
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I once hit a baseball straight back at a pitching machine at 80mph.
This reminds me of something that happened to me when i was ~14. We were smacking golfballs with an aluminum bat, when i had the bright idea of pitching them. One or two popped straight up, and in a lob that is still slow motion to this day, the next toss connected hard, and the golf ball rifled right back at me, missing my right eye by about 3 inches (i could feel it go past the side of my face). I ducked, of course, but the dude that hit the ball, in between laughing so hard he almost puked, said that the ball was already about 50 yards out and starting an upwards climb by the time i moved a muscle.

Last time i did that!
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Old February 15, 2006, 07:25 PM   #6
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Would there be a difference in probability of 22's coming back at you and a 45/9 coming back at you? Is one more like to do that than the other?
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Old February 15, 2006, 11:33 PM   #7
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Anything hit dead on will come straight back.
Even when the substrate it hits moves rearward easily at an angle? I just don't get the physics of that ...
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Old February 16, 2006, 12:42 PM   #8
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i concur
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Old February 16, 2006, 01:34 PM   #9
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Anyone else have any exp. with these targets that might be able to lend an opinion?
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Old February 16, 2006, 01:55 PM   #10
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I have the do-all's for rimfire. Never had a round come back at me. I remember reading (I believe here on TFL, YMMV) that 22lr may have a higher probability of bouncing back. No idea if that's true.

At any rate, I have a friend with do-all's for pistol calibers up to .44mag. We've never had one of those come back either. We shoot from 7, 15, or 25 yds on the pistol do-alls.

As someone above said:

Odds: low
Possible: very

That's probably a fair assessment.

Wear eye protection and I wouldn't worry.
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Old February 16, 2006, 08:16 PM   #11
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Are bullets that come back at you (even if it is rare) generally lethal? I mean, is there still enough energy for the bullet to penatrate or are you basically looking at getting socked a good one and little else?
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Old February 16, 2006, 08:45 PM   #12
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I shoot steel targets a lot in competition, IDPA, ISPC, Steel Challenge. These are shot at all distances from very far to maybe 20 feet. The ricoshes that you occasionaly get are very small fragments, it seems like the .22s are the worse, I did have some that drew a little blood on the face. The most important thing is to wear eye protection. I shoot mostly the .45acp LSWC, and dont remember getting anything comming back on it.
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Old February 16, 2006, 09:20 PM   #13
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I would be shooting WWB FMJ in 9mm and 45. Would that be worse than LSWC?
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Old February 16, 2006, 09:36 PM   #14
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Hello again...

Take a look at my entry (it's the very last on page three, currently) in the "I Got Shot at the Range" thread. It's about metal targets and I'm too lazy to do it all again.

The thirty yard rule is probably more for other shooter's benefit and comfort.

Handgun bullets general break up - splatter - on steel targets. This type being a mover might allow bullets to hold together more than a stationary target.

Wear protective equipment - as you should anyway - and be careful of the sides of the target for secondary splatters.
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Old February 17, 2006, 12:05 AM   #15
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IDPA's standard is that you need a 10 yd minimum for steel. This should vary depending on the quality of the steel and if it has many pock marks. If you can vary the angle of the steel so that it is slightly downward facing that should help.
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Old February 17, 2006, 12:58 PM   #16
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I'm probably going to give this a shot this weekend. I'll not go closer than 15 yards I imagine. Hopefully I don't get shot.

Thanks to those for the offered advice.
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Old February 19, 2006, 10:53 AM   #17
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Please report back and let us know how it goes. I'd like to get a reactive target, but (as you said) would like it to be a 10-20 yards rather than 30.

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Old February 19, 2006, 11:35 AM   #18
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Take a look at my entry (it's the very last on page three, currently) in the "I Got Shot at the Range" thread.
I suggest you search for this thread, also.
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Old February 19, 2006, 02:03 PM   #19
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I was shooting a "dinger" (large steel plate hanging on a chain) at about 100 yards once. Shooting prone, I had a FMJ 30-06 drop just in front of my face with enough force to spray dust in my mouth. To say "surprised" would be a bit of an understatement.

Other than that, I've never experienced a ricochet using any caliber unless I hit the frame.

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Old February 19, 2006, 02:43 PM   #20
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FMJ rounds are more likely that plain lead to richochet stuff back at you. Reason is the jacket tends to keep the bullet intact, whereas a lead bullet tends to come apart.
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Old February 19, 2006, 05:45 PM   #21
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steel targets

They DO shoot back. If you do it that close, make sure you have on eye protection and be prepared to be hit in the face & body, resulting in cuts/scratches. It WILL eventually happen if you shoot enough and if it's a high-powered rifle, it could even be fairly serious.
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Old February 21, 2006, 08:43 PM   #22
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Steel targets

I agree with Ken O. The local club hosts a Steel Match twice a month. Distances are 10 yards out to 35 or 40 yards. Handgun calibers only. During the set up, the match directors are careful to have the plates directly facing the shooter. I typically shoot 158 grain LSWC in a revolver. Once I had a flattened slug come back and bounce off my shooting hand. Looked down at the ground and there was this nice little flattened lead slug. Barely had enough energy to make it back 8-10 yards. With the guys shooting 38 Super, the bullets literally fragment. During a typical match I am bombarded my very small fragments of lead falling from the sky. Mostly I notice the fragments on the top of my head. A lot of the shooters wear a cap just to keep the lead out of their hair. Considering each shooter typically shoots 150-250 rounds per match and there are sometimes upwards of 30 shooters a match, this amounts of thousands and thousands of rounds a year without serious injury. Like Ken O I've seen a couple of guys that took rounds that barely broke skin. The bleeding lasted maybe 10 seconds Can't remember tell of anyone ever going to the hospital. Eye protection however is a definite must.
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Old February 26, 2006, 01:49 AM   #23
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Normally I just use my regular eye glasses for eye protection (not sure if this is fine or stupid really). Should I look into some sort of safety glasses or express intended shooting glasses?

I would either need something that would fit over my glasses or clip onto the frame of my glasses. My eye sight isn't that awful bad (I don't wear glasses through most of my day) but its bad enough that my shooting suffers without them.
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Old February 26, 2006, 02:30 AM   #24
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i use the.22 reset target, and have had a few small chunks come back and hit things near me. i decided to order some polymer targets for the 9mm instead of steel. i have not tried them out yet, hopefuly soon.

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Old February 26, 2006, 09:28 AM   #25
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We put thousands of .22 LR's into a target like this at 30' - so much so the thing is just about toast from all the chips coming off over time:



We've also put close to a thousand rounds into a spinner like this at 30' with the .45's, and it too is starting to shows some definite signs of wear:



We've been peppered by assorted size fragments before but never anything serious. The most amusing thing I've found is that when I get whacked it's not so much the whack that surprises me as it is the temperature of the fragment - I've had 'em get under my clothes and they are a tad bit warm, even more so than a shell going down your shirt. Nothing that an idiot dance won't cure though... Just be prepared as it will happen. Should make you rethink your eye wear choice being certain that your lenses are an unbreakable polycarbonate material...
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