Where to find Abbreviations, Help please

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 06:44 PM

I have reloaded for a few years (albeit only 2 types & the loads that were suggested and worked so well, Rem .17 & Win. 243) under qualified supervision but he has passed and now that I want to get more invloved with different rifles I can't find what the abbrevations mean for rifles or bullets. I know what HMR means (through this forum) but I certainly am not going to ask about each and every one I don't understand. Therefore, where can I find this info. Don't tell me to look in FAQ and my Lyman's 47th edition doesn't have them (though they use them, and I've gone cover to back cover looking for them) which leaves me at a loss. I have read anything that looked informative to the many questions I have, back through Oct 2005.....in this forum & others and that has caused my eye balls to bleed cause I just couldn't stop, too much cool, informative and humourous stuff.

You guys are the best because you share your knowledge, too many others want to seem superior so don't share. Thank you for any info now, and certainly in the future. Newbies should, IMHO, take a few hours to read back through at LEAST 15 pages because they will find most of their GENERAL questions answered there, BUT, you guys continue to answer these month after month and that is what makes you guys SO GREAT. Thanks for any direction to find what I require. Apology for long post. Reformed Luddite

caz223 · February 16, 2006, 06:52 PM

list off the ones you don't know and I'll try my best to answer.
If you're too ashamed to ask publicly, PM me, and no one will ever know.

**Mal H** · February 16, 2006, 06:58 PM

Our own library here on TFL has a good listing of acronyms: http://www.thefiringline.com/library/acro/acron.html
scroll down to bullet design.

If you don't see what you want to know there, don't hesitate to ask as caz223 has stated.

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 07:00 PM

Far to many to begin to list, it is the letters after rifles and bullets, I know what a hpbt is and a few others butman, there's a lot that make my imagination go crazy. Then there are comments like, my pet load is a Federal. Now what does that mean? Is Fed. primers? Don't know of Fed. bullets, heavy sigh

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 07:01 PM

Mal, I've looked there, no satisfaction.

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 07:13 PM

It's Not fun being a Luddite, reformed or not. This is the third time I've tried to reply to you, I do see info on "bullet design" and that is helpful for bullets. Now, what about rifles?

Leftoverdj · February 16, 2006, 07:20 PM

Long time ago, I was taught to spell things out the first time I mentioned them. Not everyone does that, but many do, so you often find the full term a sentence or two before the abbreviation. I'm mostly a cast bullet fellow so here are a handful of cast bullet terms.

GC = Gas check
bnh = Brinell hardness
DC= double cavity
PB = Plain base (Also is a pistol powder)
Pb = Lead
Sn = Tin
WW= Wheelweights
WW+2% = Tin added to the WW
Sb = Antimony
WC= Wadcutter
RN = Round Nose
RNF = Round Nose Flat
SWC = Semi Wadcutter
KT = Keith type
TC = Truncated cone
DEWC = Double end wadcutter
HP = Hollow Point
HB = Hollow Base
FWFL = a popular homemade bullet lube
COL = Cartridge overall length

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 07:29 PM

Leftover, I thank you, however, I don't cast bullets but any knowledge is precious. Thanks....who knows, maybe I'll get into casting bullets someday. One day I came home from school to find my favourite cap pistol melting in a metal ladle on the stove.....it became a tap spigot, sigh.

caz223 · February 16, 2006, 07:41 PM

HPBT= hollow point boat tail.

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 08:09 PM

Okay, what do these mean?
sks
T0ETWKAKI
.338WM
Marlin 1895GS
FN FAL
Rem541S
RemBDL
Marlin 336CS
Savage 11 GL
FMJ
12FLV
11GL
and these are just a few I can't figure out

gary2905 · February 16, 2006, 08:25 PM

AS follows:
The End of the World as We Know it.
A reference for when the social fabric is gone and the s--- REALLY hits the fan.
.338 Winchester Magnum
FN= Fabrique Nationale- A Belgian consortiun that manufacturesr many things inc'd weapons
FMJ= Full Metal Jacket

Many of the others listed by you were simply designations of/for gun manufacturers rifle models.

The last two I don't know.

Hope it helps a bit.

gary2905 · February 16, 2006, 08:27 PM

OOOPS,
My bad as to the first reference, I have no idea what that means.
I hastily replied without looking carefully at the first one.

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 08:39 PM

Thanks Gary. I see a triangular symbol next to my and other posts regarding my post and my PC tells me "report bad post" which is freaking me out. What does this mean. I sent a private message to Jonny G. but as my name suggests I am new to the "modern marvels" and I don't know what to do next. Thank You

**Mal H** · February 16, 2006, 09:01 PM

"SKS" is a rifle originally designed by a master gunsmith named Sergei Simonov and first built in Russia. The initials are loosely translated as Simonov Self-Loading Carbine System.

12FLV and 11GL are simply rifle models from Savage.

I replied to your PM and explained the "report bad post" thingy.

kingudaroad · February 16, 2006, 09:02 PM

bbwc-bevel base wadcutter
bt-boat tail
c/t-combat target
dewc-double end wadcutter
enc-encapsulated
fmj-full metal jacket
fp-flat point
hap-hornady action pistol
hbwc-hollow base wadcutter
hp-hollow point
ib-interbond
jfp-jacketed flat point
jhp-jacketed hollow point
jtc-jacketed truncated cone
L-swaged lead bullet
lrn-lead round nose
rn-round nose
sil-silhouette
sj-short jacket
sp-spire point
sst-super shocked tipped
swc-semi-wadcutter
sx-super explosive
uhc-ultra high coefficient
w/c-with cannelure
xtp-extreme terminal performance

totn-tired of typing now

RefLuddite · February 16, 2006, 09:30 PM

Big thanks to Mal & King. Got it Mal...don't quite understand but as long as I'm not doing bad, ok. The info from King was helpful, as for the rest of my WSSM etc questions I will wait until I talk with one of the Gun Range guys. Thanks a pile.

jrklaus · February 17, 2006, 10:16 PM

FAL= (I think) Fusil Automatique Leger = Light Automatic Rifle. French/Flemish/Walloon aren't my languages.

February 16, 2006, 06:44 PM	#1
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	Where to find Abbreviations, Help please I have reloaded for a few years (albeit only 2 types & the loads that were suggested and worked so well, Rem .17 & Win. 243) under qualified supervision but he has passed and now that I want to get more invloved with different rifles I can't find what the abbrevations mean for rifles or bullets. I know what HMR means (through this forum) but I certainly am not going to ask about each and every one I don't understand. Therefore, where can I find this info. Don't tell me to look in FAQ and my Lyman's 47th edition doesn't have them (though they use them, and I've gone cover to back cover looking for them) which leaves me at a loss. I have read anything that looked informative to the many questions I have, back through Oct 2005.....in this forum & others and that has caused my eye balls to bleed cause I just couldn't stop, too much cool, informative and humourous stuff. You guys are the best because you share your knowledge, too many others want to seem superior so don't share. Thank you for any info now, and certainly in the future. *Newbies* should, IMHO, take a few hours to read back through at LEAST 15 pages because they will find most of their GENERAL questions answered there, BUT, you guys continue to answer these month after month and that is what makes you guys SO GREAT. Thanks for any direction to find what I require. Apology for long post. Reformed Luddite

February 16, 2006, 06:52 PM	#2
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,344	list off the ones you don't know and I'll try my best to answer. If you're too ashamed to ask publicly, PM me, and no one will ever know. __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

February 16, 2006, 07:41 PM	#9
caz223 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,344	HPBT= hollow point boat tail. __________________ I'm not just a gun. I'm YOUR gun. (Hold me.)

February 16, 2006, 09:02 PM	#15
kingudaroad Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Location: austin Posts: 735	Heres some abbreviations bbwc-bevel base wadcutter bt-boat tail c/t-combat target dewc-double end wadcutter enc-encapsulated fmj-full metal jacket fp-flat point hap-hornady action pistol hbwc-hollow base wadcutter hp-hollow point ib-interbond jfp-jacketed flat point jhp-jacketed hollow point jtc-jacketed truncated cone L-swaged lead bullet lrn-lead round nose rn-round nose sil-silhouette sj-short jacket sp-spire point sst-super shocked tipped swc-semi-wadcutter sx-super explosive uhc-ultra high coefficient w/c-with cannelure xtp-extreme terminal performance totn-tired of typing now

February 16, 2006, 06:58 PM	#3
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern VA Posts: 14,083	Our own library here on TFL has a good listing of acronyms: http://www.thefiringline.com/library/acro/acron.html scroll down to bullet design. If you don't see what you want to know there, don't hesitate to ask as caz223 has stated.

February 16, 2006, 07:00 PM	#4
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	Far to many to begin to list, it is the letters after rifles and bullets, I know what a hpbt is and a few others butman, there's a lot that make my imagination go crazy. Then there are comments like, my pet load is a Federal. Now what does that mean? Is Fed. primers? Don't know of Fed. bullets, heavy sigh

February 16, 2006, 07:01 PM	#5
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	Mal, I've looked there, no satisfaction.

February 16, 2006, 07:13 PM	#6
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	It's Not fun being a Luddite, reformed or not. This is the third time I've tried to reply to you, I do see info on "bullet design" and that is helpful for bullets. Now, what about rifles?

February 16, 2006, 07:20 PM	#7
Leftoverdj Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2004 Posts: 934	Long time ago, I was taught to spell things out the first time I mentioned them. Not everyone does that, but many do, so you often find the full term a sentence or two before the abbreviation. I'm mostly a cast bullet fellow so here are a handful of cast bullet terms. GC = Gas check bnh = Brinell hardness DC= double cavity PB = Plain base (Also is a pistol powder) Pb = Lead Sn = Tin WW= Wheelweights WW+2% = Tin added to the WW Sb = Antimony WC= Wadcutter RN = Round Nose RNF = Round Nose Flat SWC = Semi Wadcutter KT = Keith type TC = Truncated cone DEWC = Double end wadcutter HP = Hollow Point HB = Hollow Base FWFL = a popular homemade bullet lube COL = Cartridge overall length

February 16, 2006, 07:29 PM	#8
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	Leftover, I thank you, however, I don't cast bullets but any knowledge is precious. Thanks....who knows, maybe I'll get into casting bullets someday. One day I came home from school to find my favourite cap pistol melting in a metal ladle on the stove.....it became a tap spigot, sigh.

February 16, 2006, 08:09 PM	#10
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	Okay, what do these mean? sks T0ETWKAKI .338WM Marlin 1895GS FN FAL Rem541S RemBDL Marlin 336CS Savage 11 GL FMJ 12FLV 11GL and these are just a few I can't figure out

February 16, 2006, 08:25 PM	#11
gary2905 Member Join Date: December 20, 2005 Location: Rural-not for long- Virginia Posts: 60	AS follows: The End of the World as We Know it. A reference for when the social fabric is gone and the s--- REALLY hits the fan. .338 Winchester Magnum FN= Fabrique Nationale- A Belgian consortiun that manufacturesr many things inc'd weapons FMJ= Full Metal Jacket Many of the others listed by you were simply designations of/for gun manufacturers rifle models. The last two I don't know. Hope it helps a bit.

February 16, 2006, 08:27 PM	#12
gary2905 Member Join Date: December 20, 2005 Location: Rural-not for long- Virginia Posts: 60	OOOPS, My bad as to the first reference, I have no idea what that means. I hastily replied without looking carefully at the first one.

February 16, 2006, 08:39 PM	#13
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	Thanks Gary. I see a triangular symbol next to my and other posts regarding my post and my PC tells me "report bad post" which is freaking me out. What does this mean. I sent a private message to Jonny G. but as my name suggests I am new to the "modern marvels" and I don't know what to do next. Thank You

February 16, 2006, 09:01 PM	#14
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern VA Posts: 14,083	"SKS" is a rifle originally designed by a master gunsmith named Sergei Simonov and first built in Russia. The initials are loosely translated as Simonov Self-Loading Carbine System. 12FLV and 11GL are simply rifle models from Savage. I replied to your PM and explained the "report bad post" thingy.

February 16, 2006, 09:30 PM	#16
RefLuddite Member Join Date: February 4, 2006 Location: I am 3hrs east of Jasper Nat Park, Alberta on Chip Lake Posts: 59	Big thanks to Mal & King. Got it Mal...don't quite understand but as long as I'm not doing bad, ok. The info from King was helpful, as for the rest of my WSSM etc questions I will wait until I talk with one of the Gun Range guys. Thanks a pile.

February 17, 2006, 10:16 PM	#17
jrklaus Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 520	FAL= (I think) Fusil Automatique Leger = Light Automatic Rifle. French/Flemish/Walloon aren't my languages.