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Old February 9, 2006, 06:36 AM   #26
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I hunt hogs with a bow. and i carry a .40 cal on my hip for a BUG . but i am in a tree stand. there is not a big enough $$$ purse in the world to get me on the ground with one of those beasts. they are mean and down right evil creatures. i cannot believe you guys are actually considering hunting feral hogs like that. i guess i just lack the testicular fortitude or my logic out weighs my sense of adventure. either way good luck and be careful.
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Old February 9, 2006, 08:56 AM   #27
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I don't know about pistols or the like. I kind of enjoyed my hunts up on the Big Swamp Club. I never did see any of the hog hunters I was with carrying any firearm at all. They just caught them and cut them and docked the tail. It was a hoot for sure. They are all pretty good tree climbers.
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Old February 9, 2006, 09:53 AM   #28
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Rich, I read the first post and it said “All right who is going to man up and shoot a hog with a .45 ACP?” I offered to give it a go this weekend. I wasn’t aware of the previous outing. Then you offered to take someone “on a real hunt with a .45, no feeders.” I thought you wanted to go “stalk” some pigs one weekend. I don’t know the difference between Texas pigs and Florida pigs. I have shot pigs in Georgia and Florida. I guess they are more closely related because they act about the same.

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to allow you to prove to everyone else here that the 45 ACP is an appropriate, chosen weapon for killing feral hogs.
I never claimed that the .45 ACP is the right gun for hunting pigs, but it is better than a .22 if you ask me and I have seen more people hunting hogs with .22 rifles than .45 autos.
I don’t think you will find any experienced hog hunter claim the .45 is the best for hogs, but you will be able to find plenty that could kill a hog with one and that was the challenge as I read it in the first post.

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I've hunted FL hogs as I live here too. Now don't get me wrong. Florida has hogs every bit as feral as Texas. However, as you know, our most concentrated hunting here are areas where humans are hardly an "event" for them.
Of the hogs I have hunted, the ones that see humans the most are the hardest to hunt. The last piece of “untouched” land I hunted here, had not been hunted in decades and the hogs had not seen humans to speak of in years. We had hogs come into camp and lick the bacon grease from breakfast off the ground 20 yards from where we were sitting. We had hogs walk past us at 10 yards on the road and do little more than snort at us as we talked amongst ourselves. :shrug:

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Know what really gets me "tizzied" about it? It tells those just starting out that this is acceptable, if you know you're a "good" shot. The result? Lots of wounded hogs; lots of stories about how "I just know he ran off and died"; lots of jaw breaks....every thing's fun and games until someone "puts an eye out".
Maybe you’re right. Maybe this is worse. I forget that people are crazy enough to believe everything they read on sites like this.

What can be done and what should be done are two different things. I don’t recommend people hunting hogs with a .45, I just offered to kill one for this feller that started this post and take a few pics. I guess I missed the history lesson that preceded this post.
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Old February 9, 2006, 09:53 AM   #29
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I never did see any of the hog hunters I was with carrying any firearm at all. They just caught them and cut them and docked the tail. It was a hoot for sure. They are all pretty good tree climbers.
Youp,

I've killed a couple of hogs with 3" Wegner folder. Wild hogs that my DOG caught. I just stabed them in the right place while the dog did all the dangerous work.

Are you trying to tell me that you were catching wild hogs by hand? Or did you ommit the part about the catch dogs?

As far as hogs being wild hell beasts, that is a wide exageration. Hogs make some wicked noises, grunts, screams, growls and barks which is why I think that people are scared of them.

Hogs are only dangerous when cornered or wounded and even then they are 90% bluff. I've had them come screaming and growling straight at me on many occasions when I've been between them and where they want to go. And if there is any possiblity they will dodge around you at the last second or retreat once they see you are going to hold your ground.

On one occasion I did have a real life porky charge. Here is the common factor I've noticed in a really aggresive hog. When they see or smell you they'll throw their tail in the air the hair on their back goes up and they'll start spining and screaming right before they come at you. That is in my limited experience the one you need to watch out for. Especially the one who do it in the wide open. That's how a really ****** porky displays.
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Old February 9, 2006, 09:31 PM   #30
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Based on your last post, we're on the same page.
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Old February 10, 2006, 05:21 AM   #31
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H&H:

You’ve been charged by Porky’s TWICE, if I recall correctly. I distinctly remember hastily climbing up a granite boulder to get away from a pack of ****** off javelina with someone that looked just like you, only skinny.
I believe the occasion was that we’d gone hiking and both of us forgot to bring a gun. I think even your dog was disgusted with us that day.
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Old February 10, 2006, 08:39 AM   #32
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Of course there was a catch dog on an ear, two on the big boars. The men I was with had no desire to kill one of the hogs. They actually were interested in having more hogs on the lease. That is why they cut (castrate) and docked the tail on the young boars. The lease is very big and many types of people hunt there. Deer hunters, both still and dog, bear, and hog. The barrows were all marked with the docked tail. Any member wanting a meat hog could take one and not affect the breeding stock.
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Old February 10, 2006, 11:42 AM   #33
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"I saw one of your killer pigs."
"Javelina?"
"No thanks. Already did that."
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Old February 10, 2006, 01:19 PM   #34
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Well, I'm headed to TX in a couple of weeks to go hog hunting....no feeders.

I'll be bringing my .45 because I can legally carry in TX, BUT...


I'll be hunting with a 57# longbow and some homemade wooden arrows with a hand sharpened broadhead. Nothing to it! Stick em in the lungs and they don't go far and sometimes the rest of the sounder will wander back while you're sitting there waiting for your arrow to work! Good fun!

Now, I did shoot a big TX boar right behind the ear with a 30-06 once at about 80yds. I was shooting handloads with 180gr Nosler BT and the bullet did not exit. Incidentally, he wasn't at a feeder or following any thrown out corn, just wandering around.

Hey Rich, is it the dense cover and stalking in FL that makes the head shot so illusive? Can you bait hogs in FL?
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Old February 10, 2006, 01:51 PM   #35
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Formerflyer,

Hogs are one thing them Peckered Collaries is a hole nuther story.

I distinctly remember that the dog actually started the whole thing cornering a sounder of javalina then when they realized they were cornered they decided to give "Sunny" a little bit of the ole javalina hiyacka.

Of course I also remember that rotten little beast beat us to the top of the rocks in a steady, rapid, retreating manuver.

That darn dog was a skunk, javalina & porcupine catching little SOB. And he never once won a single fight with those critters. He's the reason I'm married to veterinarian today. I knew I'd never be able to afford the vet bills with my hobbies!
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Old February 10, 2006, 06:34 PM   #36
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Old February 10, 2006, 06:41 PM   #37
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Hey Rich, is it the dense cover and stalking in FL that makes the head shot so illusive?
Nope. They're as easy to head shoot as deer.
All you have to do is be very quiet and capable of hitting a 3" target with a handgun, from offhand, under field conditions consistently.

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Yup....and that's about your only hope of killing one with a .45.
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Old February 10, 2006, 11:43 PM   #38
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I distinctly remember hastily climbing up a granite boulder to get away from a pack of ****** off javelina with someone that looked just like you, only skinny
HA! I think formerflyer's gonna tell some stories on H&H!
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Old February 11, 2006, 04:04 AM   #39
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Come to think of it, I believe it was Sunny that started that fracas. He sure hated Javelina. His hatred probably had something to do with the Javelina that took care of his neutering, in a very informal and un-sterile fashion.

That dog had the worst personality, the least training, the most aggression and the fewest redeeming social characteristics of any dog I ever met. Kind of like us at the time, now that you think about it.

Oh, and to put this (ever so slightly) back on topic: The .45 works just fine. On Javelina. Up close. So does a .40 S&W. 9MM was much less impressive. It sounded like a running gun battle before everything finally got settled. As for pistols on feral hogs, I'll keep carrying one for backup, but wouldn't want to hunt with a pistol as the primary weapon with anything less than a heavy-bullet .357. That shooting into a moving teacup at 25 yards stuff sounds a little bit above my ability, so I'll stick with something that will work with a shoulder shot.
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Old February 11, 2006, 07:32 AM   #40
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I think I speak for more than one or two of the rest of us when I say;
It would be a blast to go with you two sometime.
Thanks for the stories and such.
That part about most agression and fewest redeeming social characteristics sounds like my ex-wife and I believe she socially neutered me in a very informal and un-sterile fashon. Another story.
Those little javelina are a little more pack agressive when your dogs get em cornered than hogs. Ever have the rest of the pack come to the rescue of one?
Does the hair on the back of your neck stand up when they do that moan and gnashing of teeth thing?
Just fishing for a story. Thanks
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Old February 11, 2006, 08:16 AM   #41
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I really would like to know Sunny's breed.
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Old February 11, 2006, 08:46 AM   #42
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Hunting hogs under a feeder? All you need is a 22LR between the eyes, hog will drop in his tracks and the bullet will wind up in his neck.

If you really want an exciting hunt do it with dogs. My crowd uses dogs to find and bay the hog. Up until recently a couple of the hunters would take the hog down, rest of the group would catch and hold dogs while the two catchers tie the hog up and load him on a four wheeler. The hog is then disposed of by either, butchering him, relocate him or selling him. More recently the conservation department has innitiated restrictive regulations on trasporting them, they have to be dead. Since this time we usually do him in with a knife, for a really big one, say over 200 # we will shoot him assuming that we can do it with out hitting one of the dogs. We use what ever gun someone happens to have at the moment as most of us do not carry on the hunt. We never use an arrow as the braod head might pennetrate the hog and cut up the dogs as the hog continues to fight.
A lot of hogs are taken during deer season from shooting houses and climbers by deer hunters. Any weapon capable of killing a deer will also kill a hog.
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Aw, javelulus are fun. Ease up and grab a baby piggie and they all run off except Mama. She pops her jaws and gets all upset. Piggie squeals and wiggles. Set him down, and away they go.

I took Long Path down into Long Draw one evening, trying to catch him a Bambi. Just before dark, I heard noises from behind me, upwind. About 20 pigelinas. They came feeding by, and a momma and baby came around until she caught my scent. She walked up to within six or eight feet, going through the dangdest nose-wrinkling gyrations and breathing as deeply as she could, trying to figure out what was this strange new thing. She left, and another came and went through the same deal. It was all I could do not to move and hee-haw with a bunch of raucous laughter.

Stuff like that is what makes outdoor doings so much fun.

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Old February 12, 2006, 10:55 PM   #44
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I really would like to know Sunny's breed.
Sunny was an Australian red heeler cross. I know that the bitch was pure bred heeler.

I suspect the sire was either a spotted hyena or a badger.

Sunny met an untimely demise after I got married. He killed three of the brides cats.

Can't really see the problem in that, can you?

He broke out of his yard one day and made a bee-line into the neighbors yard, a deputy sheriff, in fact the K-9 unit for the county. Sunny made short work of the highly trained police dog. That cost me big time. The older Sunny got the more aggressive he became. I was the only person whom he respected or could control him. I had a strict rule that he wasn’t allowed in the house but he was smart and sneaky as a cat.

The final straw came when I walked into the bedroom and found him staring intently into the crib where my newborn daughter was peacefully sleeping , talk about getting a case of the chills.

It would have been very similar to having found Charles Manson staring into your bedroom window! And I handled it accordingly.

I, or I should say, my sweet young bride killed him.

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I can tell you this for certain. I will not run dogs on javalina purposely. Those little suckers are way more dangerous to a dog than any feral hog I've ever witnessed.

I compare the two like this. A big feral hog is fighter but there isn't much he can't back down with bad language and a sour expression. kind of like a big ole tatted up biker dude. He is used to getting his way through intimidation and will only really fight when pressed.

A javalina is small in stature and lives amongst some of the keenest predators in the Americas, Lions, Bobcats and such and is small enough to be considered easy prey. A javalina is the real deal and they know how to fight. Kind of like that quiet 140Lb guy sitting at the back of the bar with the wall to his back and that "1000 yard" stare. Small, fast and quick to cut you if you get in his face.

If you know what I mean.
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Old February 13, 2006, 04:00 PM   #45
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Hunting hogs under a feeder? All you need is a 22LR between the eyes, hog will drop in his tracks and the bullet will wind up in his neck.
I do not recommend shooting any hog between the eyes (the forehead). I know of this failing on two seperate occasions. Once was a .22LR and an inexperianced hunter. The pig shook his head and trotted off. No blood, no dead pig. Pig was spotted later doing fine.

On another occasion, a large boar was caught with dogs and tied. The hog was rather ****** and it was decided that it would be better to shoot him now instead of later at camp. The hog was shot in the forehead with a .38 special. The hog appeared dead. Once at camp the hog ties were removed and the hog was dropped from the swamp buggy to the ground. Upon hitting the ground, the hog jumped up and ran off, never to be seen again.
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A hog's brain lays behind the eyes. Also a hogs skull is flat. So if he is facing you and you shoot him in "lump" above his eyes that is nothing more than muscle and fat it will often knock out a pig for a while.

To make a head on, no down angle brain shot on a hog you have to shoot him in nose right square between the nostrils.

From the side you need to aim just behind and level with the eye.

Boddington wrote about having a .38 special fail to penetrate on a hog's skull as well. I would suspect that it's less of a penetration problem and more of a glancing problem after looking at a hog skull.
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Is a hogs heart located several inches above and slightly behind the front leg? Is it protected by a sheath of shoulder bone?

I've seen "autopsy" photos but its hard to discern whats what from them due to the blood and whatnot.
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A hogs heart is further forward than a deer, as are it's lungs.

The heart lays between the shoulders. On a perfect broadside hog if you line up with the front leg on the horizontal plain and keep your bullet in the lower third of the body in the vertical plain you should hit pay dirt.

If you shoot right behind the shoulder you get the back of lungs. I've also noticed that this can vary a bit from hog to hog depending on it's genetic background. But you can't go wrong aiming for the "basketball' between the shoulder from any angle on any hog.


On a large boar they can have as much as three inches of hardened cartilage plate over the entire thoracic region. This plate is so thick and hard on SOME hogs that I've seen them totally expand the best premium bullets from heavy caliber rifle before the bullet even gets through the "shield".

While I've never had a large caliber bullet stopped in the on side shield I've seen them stop bullet on the off side many times. I've seen them stop .375H&H's shooting Nosler 300gr PT's,Barnes X, and Swift A-frames. I've seen them stop various 250gr .338's and more often than not they'll stop a .30cal bullets of any dimension.

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This is on a LARGE boar hog 300+ Lbs. Smaller, or younger hogs generally will not stop these high testosterone rounds.

I've never seen a hog stop any .416 or larger round with the exception of the .45-70 they will more often than not stop a .45-70 shooting Remington 405gr soft points and especially if they are cooked up to over 1800fps. That velocity is just to much for that bullet design to hold together.
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by H&HHunter: A hog's brain lays behind the eyes. Also a hogs skull is flat. So if he is facing you and you shoot him in "lump" above his eyes that is nothing more than muscle and fat it will often knock out a pig for a while
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Man, I don;t know what kind of hogs you have been shooting but here is a couple pictures of the skull of a 360# boar. Note that the brain cavity is above and behind the eye sockets. Also, there is nothing covering the bone in this area except the skin and hair. A shot between the nostrils would probaly travel through his mouth and hit the spinal cord having the same affect as a brain shot.

I have seen many large hogs killed with a single shot from a .22, even with shorts. Admittedly the .22 is not the desired weapon for serios hog hunting. A good 30 caliber is what you need.
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Sorry about that. Don;t know what happened to the pic, the attachment window said that it was attaching the pic. I will try again laterl.
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