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Old July 9, 2006, 11:43 PM   #126
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We call it a Paradox gun. Using the word gun denotes
a cannon like quality.In a little while I will have a bunch
12ga rim pieces to supply those who can tke them and
thread the case themselves.Ed
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Old July 12, 2006, 11:11 PM   #127
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Being some guns need to much work
to fire bmg primers, it easier to
do the following with adapter bushings.
Here is picture of cases for primer
comparisons.1st is regular bmg
primer. 2nd is adapted to a shotgun primer.
3rd is adapted to large rifle primer.
Of the 2 adaptations, large rifle is
easier to do, just ream out pocket, thread in adapter, but adapting shotgun primer
you have to deepen the original primer
pocket a little, then thread and screw in
a bushing.These two primers give about
100 fps less than bmg primer.Ed.

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Old July 12, 2006, 11:12 PM   #128
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I so love that gun............
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Old July 12, 2006, 11:43 PM   #129
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Ed, I know you've heard it before, but it bears repeating:

You're my hero.
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Old July 13, 2006, 12:26 AM   #130
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thats awesome!...simply awesome!! i want to try a .20 cal bullet with a necked down .220 swift case. call it a 20-220. think it would work? be a good cal.? i know it would be super fast! dude, great job on the cannon, youve created a monster!!
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Old July 13, 2006, 01:41 AM   #131
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I always wondered about the over 50 cal rule and shotgun slugs.

You have blurred that even more in my mind.

I love that "gun"




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Old July 13, 2006, 10:02 AM   #132
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tINY- As per Title 18 GCA, Sec 921, shotguns
are exempt. Ed
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Old July 13, 2006, 10:21 AM   #133
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I know it's been said, but: WOW-E-FREAKIN'-WOW!!!!!
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Old July 15, 2006, 02:30 PM   #134
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Shot savage with 600 gr at 3250. That case
needed a little resizing on base, getting pressures up around 40k. Cases still extract
and Savage is ok, just bellers harder.
Like standing next to an 88.Ed
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Old July 15, 2006, 03:09 PM   #135
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/mops the drool puddle off the floor.

If any of you plan to take it big game hunting?
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Old July 15, 2006, 04:21 PM   #136
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4 Bore?

Did you say you were also planning a 4Bore in the future. I remember seeing a 4ga shotgun in an old general store when I was very small. I will never forget how HUGE that thing looked. I really like your 12ga project and would absolutely LOVE to see you do a 4ga.
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Old July 15, 2006, 09:50 PM   #137
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Awsome!!! I bow to your greatness really outstanding what kind of groups are you getting and at what range?
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Old July 18, 2006, 07:39 AM   #138
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WE may deer hunt with it.Maybe put on smooth bore
and get some hairy goose loads set up also.

We are doing a 4bore as soon as bareel guy gets
set up to turn out barrels. Ed.
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Old July 20, 2006, 10:55 PM   #139
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Testing NEF with short case, and stick powders.
215 gr of RL-25 got 600gr slug over 1700,
and cases eject easy. Gun still tight.Ed
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Old July 24, 2006, 08:41 PM   #140
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Testing Savage with long case-Got 2550 with
320gr WC-855H special ball.730 gr slug.
Same slug,
300gr of RL-25 got 2400. 300 gr of RL-22
got 2800. 280 gr of W-760 ball got 2900.
Will hold more 760, but pressures around 40k on last
two loads mentioned.Savage extracts easy,
bellers like a tank gun.Ed
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Old July 24, 2006, 09:19 PM   #141
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Quote:
We call it a Paradox gun
You could call it the Paris Gun - it should reach Paris, Texas from Dallas.

Quote:
Shot savage with 600 gr at 3250.
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Old July 28, 2006, 11:13 PM   #142
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Been asked about 3 inch versions of our case. I don't have
any to spare. Just the few I am testing NEF with.
But box of ten is only $60 plus shipping from
Rocky Mtn Cartridge, with thick bases and set up for
3 inch chambers.Ed
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Old July 31, 2006, 05:04 PM   #143
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Shot NEF with the RL-25 load, 600 gr.Got 3
shots in 4 inches at 50 yds, with aperture sights and my bad eyes.Got barrel extension
made and will get it on in next couple weeks.
NEF and Original Sav barrel have same twist and grooves, so I am putting heavy part of
left over barrel to good use.I hate shorty barrels.Ed
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Old August 3, 2006, 09:30 AM   #144
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We are having a group buy of 1000 gr soft jacketed
bullets for 12ga from Hawk. $2.10 each.Contact
me for details.Need order of 1000 total for them to
make dies and start.Got commitment for 400
already.Let me know if interested.Ed.
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Old August 8, 2006, 08:44 AM   #145
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We have a replica of big ole 12ga 1887 levergun coming to
test cases in.It is modern forged steel heatreated
to high strength for hairy loads. Ed
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Old August 13, 2006, 10:13 PM   #146
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We got recoil now-Got a 1050 gr
Bridger over 2200 fps in the Savage.
I took the hollow base 750 gr Bridgers
made for me, and wedged in .500 caliber
slugs(I took out of 12ga sabot)in the base.
Added 300 gr. I was going to melt lead and put in,
but this was easier about 5 seconds,
after 15 seconds shortening nose on grinder
of .500 slug.Ed
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Old August 24, 2006, 11:11 AM   #147
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Compared to this mines pussycat.
Rob shot a few 1000 grain Bridgers at 3250 fps
and he said he couldn't go any higher as recoil
was "severe". His Borchardt is 24 lbs, and can take
any pressure you could load for it and still
hang on. Cartridges of this size really gets
the juices flowing at over 23,000 ft lbs..Ed
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Old August 24, 2006, 01:50 PM   #148
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So, do you guys actually try to hit something, or just go for bragging rights?

Who can take the most recoil?




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Old August 30, 2006, 12:54 AM   #149
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Rob can put shots all about touching at 50 yds with his.
We just do this for fun. Rob will hunt with his in
Africa, I plan on taking mine to the big bore club shoots
around the country.Ed
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Old September 3, 2006, 04:55 AM   #150
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We got 1887 12ga levergun here to test. Has 2 & 3/4
inch chamber and we will test with our cases cut back and
with Rocky Mtn cases.Here is pic.Neat gun.Ed


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