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Old April 22, 2006, 10:45 PM   #101
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Here is picture of the original Bridger 750 gr banded solid
flat nose. 2nd is a semi-spitzer 640grI made from it, long range
capable(for vicious p-dogs). 3rd is a shortened round nose 500gr
I made from first one.And a Foster slug to compare with.
The 3rd one is mentioned in test above.Ed
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Old April 28, 2006, 07:10 PM   #102
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Here is picture of a brass slug that Lefteris from
Greece is developing.It is .629 and uses sabot to take
it up to .729 12ga size. He will get a few to me to
test for speed, and due to design they also work good
in smooth bores.Ed

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Old April 30, 2006, 06:30 PM   #103
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That's pretty nifty. I assume the shape is to affect the balance? Does that hole throught the center have any positive effect?
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Old May 1, 2006, 03:02 PM   #104
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The hole lets air through to reduce turbulance and drag, thus giving it a better performance in flight.Hollowbase makes it work for smoothbores.Ed
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Old May 2, 2006, 01:45 PM   #105
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Sweet. I bet its got some interesting terminal ballistics.
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Old May 5, 2006, 11:43 PM   #106
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We will have a few here to test in few weeks,
with sabots that Lefteris also makes.Ed
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Old May 6, 2006, 01:07 AM   #107
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Well, whatever floats your boat, I guess. Wouldn't be one for me.
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Old May 8, 2006, 04:00 PM   #108
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Alot of fellows in shotgun only hunting areas are real
interested in this project, to get them better range and
power.Ed
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Old May 11, 2006, 01:33 AM   #109
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Measured the sabot for the 3/4 oz Barnes
that Federal loads,and will also hold the 500 S&W bullets
out there and the lightest 505 bullets.The 3/4 oz Barnes
is .500 diameter. 505 fits pretty good also.Amazing all the stuff you can put together for our cartridge.Ed.
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Old May 13, 2006, 01:31 AM   #110
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More sabot research using the 12ga 50 cal sabot that was in Barnes 3/4 oz load.The front section of a 50 bmg bore rider
bullet, it is 2nd in picture in the sabot fits sabot. It
is 470 grains, really streamlined.And
you can buy them by the ton, and just cut off the back
portion that is .510 diameter, and that leaves front part for a .500 dia bullet, a good spitzer,
1.5 inches long..Good for armor plated chucks??
First in picture is original
sabot with Barnes 3/4 oz hollowpoint slug...3rd is the 900gr 600NE slug in my sabot made
from heavy shotcup. Shot it at 2300 fps. 4th on the miniature digital scale is an older Barnes
.580 cal saboted slug expanded, it's 435gr. Ed.

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Old May 27, 2006, 08:49 PM   #111
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Shot a 610 grain hollowpoint Dixie hard
slug into 6 gallon sealed pail of water.
Going 2800 fps, and real big hollowpoint.
First pic is pail with crimped on top.
Pail full and has filler spout capped.
Second pic,impact with water atomising,
and pail blowing apart.In the next small
fraction of a second is third after impact
with shelf cleared, the hyrostatic pressure
down, has bent top of steel frame shelf.
Same blast put jug pieces all over.
Got to get a 15 gallon one. Behind
you see my wood bundle backstop...Ed





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Old May 27, 2006, 09:15 PM   #112
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WOW COOL!!! Wish I had a big gun like that, dont even have a CF
Chase
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Old May 31, 2006, 01:49 AM   #113
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Here is long view of exploding pail.Ed

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Old June 5, 2006, 08:18 AM   #114
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Ed

OH, i gotcha, its not so much a shotgun as a magic 5-gal bucket-be-gone stick. i still want one
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Old June 25, 2006, 07:56 PM   #115
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I picked up a 12ga NEF Ultra Slug gun.24 in shorty barrel.
Added weight and thumbhole stock.
Gun weighted to 15 lbs so
far. I got 600gr hard slug to
1650-1700 so far, and shoots easy.
Got 1 1/2 inch thick pad.Working up different
loads.Should get over 2000.
Cases eject easy,no resizing needed
on bottom half of case,action opens easy,
no evidence of binding.Started case 3.2 inch,
settled on case length of 3.15-- Chamber being
full size max 12ga size expands top half of case
more than my minimum chamber in Savage does,
so little more effort needed to size.Our case, though many times stronger than regular
12ga cases is thinner at mouth, so that is
why I used tight chamber on Savage.Still
can't get used to mickey mouse short barrel.
Anyone know of a genius who could
make long alloy barrel with pivot mounted?
Cases can be 3 inches on up to
our length, and work.Ed

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Old June 25, 2006, 08:21 PM   #116
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not so much a shotgun as a magic 5-gal bucket-be-gone stick
That's what I was thinking... "Buh-Bye, Bucket!"

So that NEF is just bored out to your 12 ga from hell size, or just using 3.5 mag-length brass?
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Old June 25, 2006, 08:49 PM   #117
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Yuo know, usually I read the first entry in a long thread, then skip through it and mentally block out the whinning B.S. and look for any nuggets of info that can be found.

This one has been very different. I read EVERY SINGLE WORD. This whole thing is unbeliveable, with the exception of being completely real. The work of genius.

I cannot put my feelings of WOWNESS into words, so I will simply say;
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Old June 26, 2006, 03:03 AM   #118
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We are using NEF chamber as is for now, and just
shortened our case from 3.85 to 3.15 inches.
Case still holds 225 gr ball powder.
Nef slug gun is labeled 3 inch chamber.It could be lengthened
out with reamer to fit our full length case.Ed.
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Old June 26, 2006, 09:51 AM   #119
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My understaning of the H&R/NEF slug gun is that it is the shotgun frame, and is the weakest of their various frames. They will not rebarrel it to a rifle caliber, but will rebarrel the rifle offering to a slug. If your going to do some heavy experimenting, you may want to consdier a high power centerfire, and get it rebarreled, or start with a Huntsman combo that includes a slug barrel on a rifle action.


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Old June 26, 2006, 10:14 AM   #120
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Tom-We have checked with NEF and checked action
The Ultra slug 10-12 ga frame is investment cast like
their larger caliber rifle frames, and heat treated
to increase strength.It is SB2 action for heavier shotgun
loads. Only it has larger diameter firing
pin.It checks as hard as my Savage action.And barrel
is stronger than mild steel barrels, with hammer
forged rifling.And our strong case gripping sides of chamber
when firing holds 40% of the thrust against breech.
Paper and plastic doesn't. You can see difference in metal if you look inside the frames for regular NEF shotguns
and Ultra frame.Ed
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Old June 26, 2006, 12:14 PM   #121
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I should have figured that you would have checked. Your experiments are giving me one more reason to get a slug barrel for my NEF rifle. Not sure what I need it for, but I know I want it.
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Old July 1, 2006, 12:27 AM   #122
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We got 600 gr slug to 2000 fps in NEF.Used ball
powder load. Case length of maximum 3.07 works.
Anyone using our style case should also put in adapter
for shotgun primer. Save a lot of work
beefing up hammer speed and strength.Ed
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Old July 5, 2006, 07:54 AM   #123
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Savage is going great. Using little faster ball powder got
600 gr hard slug to 3000 fps, 12,000 ft lbs.
New supply of hard slugs comming. I think 14000 ft
lbs possible. Ed
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Old July 7, 2006, 09:07 PM   #124
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For you fellows down under, Scott Wardle is having a bunch of rims and cases with 12ga rims made and will make them
for others in need.Ed.
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Old July 7, 2006, 09:28 PM   #125
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Now THATS a Rifle!!!

Egads! I gotta build me one of these!
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