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Old January 31, 2006, 05:58 PM   #26
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Here is picture of case in an action that we may in
the future build a wider heavier version of to use.
It is a Martini Greener 12 ga action.They are the best
looking of the old time actions.Ed.


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Old February 1, 2006, 06:21 PM   #27
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I am aware of the shotgun exempt thing, but if a comercial variant was created and only in slugs, I was worried that it might not be classified as a shotgun and become illegal.
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Old February 1, 2006, 07:12 PM   #28
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Being 12 gauge alone wont protect it from anti-gun scrutiny.
The anti-gun representatives in Congress will use the NFA law and the GCA law to look for ways to restrict anything they think is a good candidate for political attack. Congressmen know they can get Brownie points with their party if they step up to the plate and swing at political issues. If they make a home run their party often holds them as heros. Antigun people held Clinton as a hero for pushing and signing the Assult Weapon Ban, puting a stop to all thoses Chinese semiauto imports, and stopping the Chinese ammo imports.
The 12 gauge street sweeper type guns were banned because of the NFA law allowing the Government to restrict guns that happen to have a bore diameter over .50 caliber. It was determined to be unsporting. Unsporting has been used to often to try to eliminate politically incorrect guns like semiauto rifles AR-15s, AK's, and others. Nothing is safe from political attack.
A new extended 12 gauge shell could just as well be attacked like the .50 BMG has been. The .500 S&W magnum became an immediate target not very long after it came out. The antis tried to make the argument that it can penetrate body armor. Someone could easily say this new extended 12 gauge round is capable of blowing up buses, air planes, and killing innocent children 20 miles away. When your dealing with political liers like Feinstein, Boxer, Kennedy, Clinton, and others anything is possible. Anyone can make some kind of law preventing the regular public from having guns. But, as of right now this new 12 gauge creation is safe. Its legal until otherwise.

On another note, I do think this new cartridge has great potential for shot loads too. I wonder how many 00 buck balls can be loaded and shot at maybe 1200 fps.
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Old February 1, 2006, 07:56 PM   #29
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That is awesome!!!! How do they do for accuracy? What kind of trajectory do they have?

Oh! You gotta get some video of that thing going off and post it!
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Old February 1, 2006, 09:56 PM   #30
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Old February 1, 2006, 11:22 PM   #31
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That is why we set it up to do regular shotshells.
We have millions of slug guns out there for deer, bear,
hog shooting ,and they because of rifling, aren't
for shot patterning.I bet if some lib tried to shut them
down, hunters, NRA,GOA,etc would chew em a new butthole.
Just the thought of rifled shotgun having to pay 200 buck
tax, would really lose libs their elections..
And as far as buckshot goes 20 of them at 16-1800 fps,
is what I expect to do..Haven't shot for groups as that is
for better weather.Ed.
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Old February 1, 2006, 11:45 PM   #32
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Those libs are crafty devils sometimes. If they tried to attack a new caliber cartridge they try and avoid pitfalls There was too few .50 BMG owners in California to stop the .50 BMG ban they passed.
If the new cartridge you have was called for example the .12 gauge Hubel Ultra Magnum, the libs would work out a deal to attack only your cartridge by name and spare the regular 12 gauge shells from the attack. They wouldnt have the political power (yet and hopefully never will) to battle the regular 12 gauge (too established). That would be political suicide.
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Old February 1, 2006, 11:49 PM   #33
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Hey now, why would it need a name just for them to attack?

We already have 12ga in 2 3/4, 3, and 3 1/2; why not a 12ga 5 3/4?



It does sounds remarkably standardized.....
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Old February 2, 2006, 01:08 AM   #34
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Yeah, that could work too.
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Old February 2, 2006, 01:23 AM   #35
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00 buck 53.8 grains each
20 shot balls = 1076 grains
30 shot balls = 1614 grains
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

If it was a smooth bore, 20 to 30 shot balls would make a really interesting load.
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Old February 2, 2006, 01:40 AM   #36
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In our case it would the 3 3/4..A bunch of us are going to
seeif we can get ATf to just put out a list case types and
gun types for over 50cal, an official list, so that all
inand out of government willknow that cartridge
big bores that aren't in automatics and
don't use explosive projectiles are legal for hunting
where allowed and target shooting.(There are big bore clubs)
An official publicized list, like the list of powder storage
and shipping rules in reloading manuals.That would get
all in and out of gov on same wave length, and get the
grey areas gone so antis can't pick away.Now bach to our
project,here is pic showing cases with 3 different lead
slugs, and a case with old rim off and threaded for rims
in picture.Ed


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Old February 2, 2006, 02:18 AM   #37
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This reminds me about that 10 Gauge shotgun that is at a local store.
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Old February 2, 2006, 09:29 AM   #38
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WOW! That's all I can say for now. josh
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Old February 2, 2006, 10:13 AM   #39
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nice work truely creative
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Old February 2, 2006, 11:02 AM   #40
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Heheh - different strokes for different folks. Keep at it!
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Old February 3, 2006, 06:14 PM   #41
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I love to see what a Hornady SST plastic tip 300 grain 12 gauge slug could do out of that cartridge. Maybe like 4000 fps and around 10,000 lbs of energy. That should be quite flat shooting. I read of someone that used the regular SST loading from hornady and stated he got 2 inch groups at 100 yards. The extra speed may or may not help accuracy.
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Old February 3, 2006, 06:21 PM   #42
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12ga 3 3/4?

That sounds like the next logical step in the evolution of the 12ga. Perfectly reasonable.
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Old February 3, 2006, 06:21 PM   #43
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Old February 4, 2006, 07:25 PM   #44
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We got a 3/4 oz or 327 gr Barnes sabot up to 3900.
A long 22cal fletchette would work in smoothbore like
their big brothers in M60.Ed.
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Old February 4, 2006, 08:10 PM   #45
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A 300+ grain slug moving that fast would likely explode a human torso.
http://www.dogbegone.com/video/opening1.wmv
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Old February 4, 2006, 09:27 PM   #46
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Those libs are crafty devils sometimes. If they tried to attack a new caliber cartridge they try and avoid pitfalls There was too few .50 BMG owners in California to stop the .50 BMG ban they passed.
Thats because they are a bunch of Comunists pinko's.

Dude thats an awesome rifle congrats. You should pitch that to Barret maybe they would make it a production piece. Then I could own one too!
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Old February 5, 2006, 11:27 AM   #47
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Whitefeather--The costs of it in a Barrett is
twice what you could do it in that beautiful
Borchardt falling block.. Being rimmed the falling block,
and break actions are what we designed it for.Ed.
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Old February 6, 2006, 05:19 PM   #48
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Here is picture of the Savage bolt holding case,and top lug is up toward camera in pic. Lower left lug was extended
to hold shell along with the extractor on the
opposite side and the top lug extension. .Lower right lug is opposite also.Ed


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Old February 7, 2006, 03:14 AM   #49
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Looks like you turned those cases on a lathe.....

How well do they fit in standard reloading presses?




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Old February 7, 2006, 12:56 PM   #50
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tINY--The only lathe work was putting rims on
the bmg cases. They do look nice don't they.
And then we fireformed them out straight.
They are too long for regular press, we use
an Ammomaster with BMG rods and top for 1.5 inch
dies. Got some 1.5 in Hollywood 12ga dies.Ed.
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