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Old January 1, 2008, 11:01 PM   #301
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Santa sent me the three on right.
The left two are our 12gaFH cases we had
rims added to bmg cases, to make them.
What do you think. We may have found a case source
that doesn't involve putting on rims.Our fellow who made
our first cases has retired.. If any of you can help find these cases
it will be appreciated.They are Proparms cases, used in short barreled
cannons for bomb disposal. These cannons of different makers are
mostly of 12ga size, a lot using 12ga plastic cases. Proparms uses
brass case. It is exact size of ours. There are many hundreds of
these in bomb aquads, the military, etc. The company doesn't reload so
if fired brass is surplus, maybe all of us can round up some. .... Ed
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Old January 5, 2008, 01:46 AM   #302
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In 10GA NEF 110gr 4227 got 765gr slug
to 1800, ejected ok. If it was a really
heavy barrel it could do more.Using the
7383 surplus at 150 gr, don't even have
to resize to fire 3 times. The 28GA FH
done and testing in next couple weeks.Ed
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Old January 9, 2008, 06:38 PM   #303
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Fired 28GA FH-- Cases extract easy.--It is
in bolt action Enfield. With 550gr jkt slug,
full load 150 gr of WC-860, got 1900 fps.
This will be slowest load and powder.
In picture is 3.25" brass 28ga cases, regular
28ga plastic case, jkt slugs, a 458Win
for comparison.Regular cases work also.Ed

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Old January 12, 2008, 06:03 PM   #304
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28ga cases are made by Rocky Mtn Cartridge,
Barrel is rifled with 4 grooves, 1-22 twist.
You could do one on Savage 210.Another
shotgun bolt action that would handle it
with little work, heavy barrel, is the
395-495-595-695 bolt action Mossberg.
Just show that 28GA FH isn't puny, here is
picture of it next to a 505 Gibbs.Ed

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Old January 18, 2008, 10:10 PM   #305
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Here is picture and info on Royal
Arms' site for hopped up 12ga loads,
used in little cannons for bomb work.
Anyone got any of these fired that I could inspect to see how they are built.ED

http://www.royalarms.com/EOD/ammo/canonammo.gif
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Old January 19, 2008, 02:09 AM   #306
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Been following this thread and looking at the new Itaca M37 Deerslayer III... and I'm drooling....

http://www.ithacagun.com/deerslayer3.html
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Old January 19, 2008, 02:41 PM   #307
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It does look fairly heavy barrel. I will find out
the barrel alloy and muzzle size from them.
Gun has a nice quality look. Ed
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Old January 19, 2008, 06:19 PM   #308
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The new Ithaca with some warm 3" Hubel's could be as much whoop a** as you can get in a pump..... unless Remington offers their 7600 in the 458 Win.....
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Old January 21, 2008, 08:35 PM   #309
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Should be great quality at over 1100 dollars.
I'm sure they will be swamped with orders.Ed
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Old January 27, 2008, 10:55 AM   #310
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I like the Savage 210 so I'm putting
a 700 barrel on one and chambering for
my 700H 3.25 case. Working on it now.
Should get the same energy levels as
the 12GA From Hell case in same action.
In pic is 700H case in the action. Ed

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Old January 30, 2008, 01:40 AM   #311
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Here is pic showing process of making my
700cases from BMG brass.Shows the steps,
first bmg case, next the belt formed, last case
expanded to 700 cal with slug.
An 06 case on right for comparison.Ed

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Old February 5, 2008, 10:52 PM   #312
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28GA FH research. Guy on other forum suggested using 54cal
rifled barrels for 28ga as they are easy to get. I looked into
it and did some testing. It is ok as long as you keep bullet
about 400gr as most 54cal barrels are not super alloy.
And everyone with 28ga wants slugs and there is no slug loads
from factory, and to reload the heavier bullets we shouldn't use
these barrels or regular 28ga barrels with 600-700 gr slugs.
But there are couple dozen 54cal bullets out there
stocked all over the gunstore shelves, in weights from 300 to
450 gr. There are heavier but for 28GA FH on deer 400gr is
great. I tested the 405 gr copper plated Powerbelt brand, with
velocities from 2300 to 2800 plus fps. That's 6500 ft lbs.
The 54cal slugs load tight in the RMC 3.25" 28ga case fine by
sizing top a little tighter. Bullet obturates to fit .550 bore
as bullet is hitting target straight. A lot of 54cal barrels
go from 530 to 560. 54cal slugs range from .534 to .560"
There are different sizes of 28ga barrels and chokes,
so some where there is lighter 54cal slug that fits..
And with light slugs the pressure limits with the MRC brass
match top muzzle loading pressures, so these barrels will work.
And great thing is the 54cal barrel guys ain't allergic
to making long barrels. I've shot one MRC case 15 times and
still going strong...Ed
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Old February 7, 2008, 02:36 PM   #313
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wickliffe rifle

I now have all the original drawings for the Wickliffe Rifle, and am about to start manufacturing. My machinist is making a CNC program to make all the parts, so the Wickliffe rifle, and Magnum Wickliffe will be going soon. The perfect action for the 12 guage from hell. Or even a 10 guage from hell for that matter.
H.P.White Labratories did a test on the original rifles, and found them capable of 120,000 units of pressure with no damage done to the action at all.
Our rifles are being made from certified stock, so they will be stronger than the cast originals.
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Old February 11, 2008, 10:53 PM   #314
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28GA FH testing. 405 gr in 2.75" plastic case
got 1400. Tested the Great Plains 54cal
lubed slug, runs from 2200 to 2700. It is
by Hornady and its front band actually measures
.550" and hollowbase. They hit target straight.
Got a bunch of 415gr hollowbase coming that
are 548" from Dixie Gunworks. Only 26 cents each.
All will work in plastic or long brass
case. I found another .550 bbl and coming, and
it will go on a Mossberg 12ga bolt action
for the second 28GA FH to test.. Ed
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Old February 12, 2008, 08:25 PM   #315
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wickliffe rifle

It does not look like a magnum version of the Wickliffe will be made any time soon. We are trying to work out the bugs in the standard grade.
We are working on an adjustable trigger for weight of pull, and engagement. It is not as easy as it seems.
The original rifles designer and I talked about it, and I am working on several ideas.
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Old February 12, 2008, 08:36 PM   #316
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zabala action

I saw that Ed was thinking about a double in 12FH. The action that he showed had no 3rd locking lug, an important feature in a double rifle, especially one with high pressures. The 3rd lug, be it Purdeys, or Greeners, is for safety in case the other 2 shear from forces. It is the same idea as the Mauser with its 3rd safety lug in the rear.
I built 2 double rifles in 12 guage rifled, and I hope they were only fired with factory rounds, as they had no 3rd lug, or bite,as the British call them.
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Old February 14, 2008, 09:58 PM   #317
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Wickliffe Rifle Company

The Wickliffe Rifle Company is in business. We have prices available, and all the vendors on line, to produce the most accurate rifle possible.
I know the guys on this forum will be interested in this, as a 20 guage rifle from hell is not out of the question. We can still churn up more energy than a 50 BMG. And have more fun doing it.
Not to mention the Nitro Express rounds that can be put in.
Let me know at Wickliffe Rifle Company
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Old February 15, 2008, 10:53 PM   #318
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The older Zabala I have has a third lug. The E-213 model
I showed from a pic on their site is all alloy and heatreated
so it will be strong enough also, but it is costly. I was told is was
tested at over 40,000 psi in 12ga, and action and cases held the loads,
they just had to be knocked out with a rod. I,ve loaded plastic cases
here like that with strong guns. Guns ok, brass pushed out with
a rod, some stil lusable with tight primers.Ed
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Old February 18, 2008, 10:54 PM   #319
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Tested the 415 gr hollowbase slugs in 28GA FH long
brass case. These are ones that Dixie Gunworks sell
that they call their Sharps .548" slug. They all run
about .008 bigger than that so they make perfect tight
fit for .550" barrel, and I used a good lube on them
in the grooves. Same speeds as above for GPs.
They are a little harder alloy slug than
the Powerbelts or Great Plains The 28ga shellholder
for our Lee, Lyman, Rcbs presses , we use, is from
RCBS for regular metallic press rams. For 28ga dies
Hollywood made some for metallic presses.Also for
sizing for bottom 2/3 of the brass case you can cut
top off of the 500J die.The slower powder loads don't
even have to have the bottom half sized, which
is great for a turned case. If we had drawn brass cases
we could get 11,000 ft lbs, in the Enfield, which we
don't really need for deer. 4-6000 ft lbs ok/deer ..Ed
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Old February 23, 2008, 10:07 PM   #320
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I get asked about hopping up 410s with brass cases.
A good drawn case is 9.3 x 74R. It'll work in 3"
410 chambers or shortened for shorter chambers.
I am not doing any just passing on info.Ed
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Old February 28, 2008, 11:45 PM   #321
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Here is picture of a jacketed hollowpoint
12ga slug a fellow is going to make for us.
We hope to have tooling set up this summer
we plan on. Next to it is a 600gr Dixie hardened
slug. First ones he will probably make will
be about 700-750 gr.Ed

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Old March 5, 2008, 12:56 AM   #322
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The hollow pointed slug above can have a
light plastic/rubber nose for streamlining for
better BC, for 2-300 yard shooting.
In the 87 Win Levergun, smooth barrel,
long barrel, using brass RMC 3" cases,
1 oz Brenneke KO slug to 2700 with 4227
powder. Shotgun primer. I will be getting
some 3.5" RMC brass that he will put a special
longer corner radius in, to allow faster loads
with less case expansion and easier resizing.
Should get same slug to 3000 and resize
easier also. With shotgun primer able to use
4227, and you WON"T have to rework hammer
or firing pin to do big primers.ED
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Old March 11, 2008, 07:23 PM   #323
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Santa sent me 9 more PROP cases used in little
cannons for bomb disposal. In pic, 2 on the left
are our originals, next 3 are resized PROP
cases, exactly matching ours, and then 9
to be resized. Ed


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Old March 19, 2008, 11:22 PM   #324
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Here is picture of the Enfield bolt,
showing the 2 rear lugs I added.
The huge bolt handle base is 3rd lug.
Bolt handle needs polishing.This one
will be in the action for the 8GA FH.Ed

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Old March 26, 2008, 08:30 PM   #325
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Here is picture of the 4 slugs I've used in
the 28GA FH load developement in the
3.25" long brass case and they
also work in the plastic cases. Ed

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