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Old July 14, 2007, 01:23 PM   #251
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Finally going to make able
to make the improvement on
the 87 levergun barrel.
Rifled and heavy and 31"
long. After many months finally got
a barrel.Ed

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Old July 22, 2007, 11:56 AM   #252
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With NEF. Plastic cases, roll crimped slug
in drillpress. 82gr IMR 4227 1650 fps,
with 730gr, 78 gr 4227 with 800gr, 1600.
Expansion on cases show little more pressure
as full loads of 4759 and 600gr.
Ignition perfect with small primers.
Ejects cases fine. Burns clean.
Got a GEHA bolt 12ga to put a heavier
rifled barrel on to test. Ed
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Old July 29, 2007, 04:33 PM   #253
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Tested 870 gr in NEF with our long
brass case with big primer.I have NEF
with extra hammer spring for big primer.
Got 2000 fps and still able to extract case.
Would do little more, extractor needs
to be wider and set up positive.
Used 260gr of WC-860 and MagPro.
Could use RL-22, Rl-25, Retumbo, etc.
That's 7700 ft lbs.. I get 600 gr slug to
2300 plus in NEF, long case. so you can go
light or heavy.Ed
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Old July 29, 2007, 05:40 PM   #254
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WOW ! I have barrel envy..
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Old August 4, 2007, 10:19 PM   #255
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More testing with 4227. Greg got little over 1500 fps in
3" plastic with 870 gr slug using 74-75 gr of 4227.
I did the same. This compares to much lighter
REM Buckhammer slug with more speed. Almost all
the way through 5 ft bundle hardwood boards.
I have Mossy 695 as well as GEHA 12 gauge
to put heavy rifled barrels on. And my 87.
Will be checking Mossy 395
for a guy who wants to put on
a heavy barrel. Ed
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Old August 5, 2007, 02:30 PM   #256
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you put this on a different forum didn't you?
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Old August 10, 2007, 11:09 AM   #257
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I post the info and testing on various forums,
have about 400,000 views. Sharing the fun.Ed
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Old August 10, 2007, 03:06 PM   #258
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Wow... just, wow.
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Old August 16, 2007, 10:05 AM   #259
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Here is pic of 695 bolt action
Mossberg with dinky barrel and the heavy long
rifled barrel for it. It has a recoil plate
like Rem/Sav, and two rear bolt lugs..Ed


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Old August 22, 2007, 12:22 AM   #260
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Read a report that H & H is going to
make Paradox rifle/shotguns guns again.Big bore
mania is catching on.Be able to use
shot and slugs, and with newer alloy
barrels, they'd be hairy like the guns Rob and
I have set up. Ed
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Old August 22, 2007, 01:19 AM   #261
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That's good news.



For rich people.

But I'd have to mortgage my house and sell a kidney to be able to afford a Holland & Holland double.
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Old August 30, 2007, 09:16 AM   #262
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I tested in NEF 3' cases, Alliant 2400 with
small primers, Fired ok at 75 deg but when
case cooled there was majority of misfires
and squib loads. Don't reccomend it, not reliable.
Here is picture of Mauser 12ga bolt action
GEHA with a heavy barrel like I will put
on it Make a good slug gun.Ed


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Old September 7, 2007, 08:15 PM   #263
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The 12GA From Hell is now on
Ammoguide, the last page of
cartridge list.Ed

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=611
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Old September 17, 2007, 12:52 PM   #264
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Saw info on a break action that
would handle 12ga FH.It is Cole,
with a strong top lock and real wide
strong extractor.Ed
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Old September 27, 2007, 12:12 AM   #265
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Tested 3.5" plastic cases in NEF, small
primers. My chamber is long for our
long brass case, so they work fine.....
600 gr slug, 105 gr of IMR 4227,
got 2100. Same slug, 180 gr, 7383 surplus,
got 2100 fps. That's 5800 ft lbs from 12ga
plastic shotgun cases.Ed
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Old September 27, 2007, 11:45 PM   #266
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love the gun!!!
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Old October 6, 2007, 06:27 PM   #267
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Along with testing loads in 3.5" plastic, later tested same loads
in 3" RMC brass cases; and with 600gr slug, same wt 4227 and
7383 surplus powders got same 2100 fps.I got a MEC Super Sizer
coming to size base of plastic and RMC cases. Both are hard to
resize with regular die, but this will save time and allow many
more firings of the cases.Just got 3.5" plastic for dime each,
and this sizer will allow as many firings as the RMC brass.Ed
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Old October 7, 2007, 09:46 PM   #268
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THIS THREAD IS REALLY GETTING TO BE PLAYED OUT. :barf: ENOUGH ALREADY. LET'S MOVE ON TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AFTER 268 POSTS, WHAT MORE CAN BE SAID THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN REPEATED A DOZEN TIMES?
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Old October 8, 2007, 03:34 AM   #269
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What's with all of the yelling TPAW?

How about you redirect some of that anger towards the person holding the gun to your head making you read this thread?

There are some of use who have been following the evolution of this since the beginning and who are still interested in future developments.
In other words, shut up and go away.
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Old October 8, 2007, 07:34 AM   #270
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BluesBear writes

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shut up and go away.
My post was JMO. If you took offense perhaps you should lighten up a little. Personal attacks are not welcomed here. Additionally, before you post again, might I suggest you read the Forum Rules.
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Old October 12, 2007, 11:49 PM   #271
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A lot of research with different guns, and equipment is
still being done, and planned. We just want to share.
A bullet fella contacted me and he will make
750gr jacketed 12ga slugs for buck and a half.
He uses Corbin equipment, and that is a very
great price as others have quoted almost
50% more. Minimum order 500 bullets.He
has to get couple pieces of punch and die
tooling to make them .729" to fit most rifled
barrels, and he will get tooling if we pay
half, which is 300 bucks. I want to find
10 guys to put in 30 each plus order 50 or
a hundred and we have him get tooling ordered.
Contact me so I can see how many want to get
in on the deal.Then after I tally everyone
I will get back to you for the funds for dies
for you to send the them to him..Here is pic
of a sizer we got that does plastic
cases back to factory specs in few seconds
and allows 3 times more reloads. It will
also do the RMC cases I have. No more cases
sticking in dies, or spending 5 min
to get them sized only half assed.ED.

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Old October 20, 2007, 11:03 AM   #272
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Here is the Enfield I reamed out to feed 12 gauge and BMG
size cases. I added two rear bolt locking lugs, one the huge bolt
handle and another added that locks in rear bridge. The front lugs
still contact on their top 40 %. This is concept from earlier shown
Mauser shotgun conversions, where they were made from 98
Mausers, giving a bolt action 12ga.This one is chambered for
my belted 700H 3.25" case, as a load developement test gun.
Loads up to 825 gr at 2500.

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Old October 25, 2007, 09:26 PM   #273
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The three From Hell cartridges----
My 28GA FH, 2nd Our 12GA FH, can
you guess the 3rd?. What do readers think. Ed

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Old October 25, 2007, 10:26 PM   #274
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I think: "Great googily moogily - what the hell is THAT?!?"
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Old October 26, 2007, 10:32 PM   #275
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It is the 8GA From Hell, a real cartridge. 4.3 inch long
brass case. 8 ga shorter plastic case, plan on in same chamber.
Looking now for guns or actions and barrels. I make it
from 20mm Suzy brass(20mm Hispano Suiza), by putting
on a 8ga size rim and reshaping like we did 12GA FH....Ed
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