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Old January 27, 2006, 03:49 PM   #1
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12GA Rifle From Hell

Back visiting here to tell about project a few of us over
on AR did..It is big wildcat called the 12GA From Hell.
First it is a long case we made by putting 12ga size rim
on bmg brass, and straightened case out.Two others put
it in big Borchardt falling block actions, and I put it in
a Savage 210 Bolt action with long heavy barrel and a heavy
stock..I got a hard Dixie Terminator 730 gr slug out at
2700 fps. The Borchardts will do more.Here is picture of our
case next to a regular plastic 12ga case, which by the way
can also be fired in our chambers.Ed Hubel


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Old January 27, 2006, 04:02 PM   #2
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So it's a smoothbore or rifle? I ask because of the rifled slug there. Wow. Just wow.
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Old January 27, 2006, 04:23 PM   #3
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Firstfreedom--The barrel is rifled, and slug in case in
the pic is just for looks.Slugs used are hardened lead
looking like the old paradox slugs,and banded brass solid
slugs.It could be smooth bore and then we could really
put the zip into Foster slugs.Here is pic of my gun
the savage 210 bolt action.Ed


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Old January 27, 2006, 04:33 PM   #4
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holy #$$%&^%&%$^#$% thats crazy! whats the kick like? and what coud possibly require such a big bullet, i guess if you want a HD gu to the extreme thats what you got.
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Old January 27, 2006, 04:50 PM   #5
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730 gr slug out at 2700 fps
Were talking .50 BMG energy out nearing 12,000 ft pounds
The recoil without a muzzle comp has got to be pounding you.
I love what you done.
Its got the potential to become an awesome grizzly slayer with the right slugs..
Holland and Holland double rifles usually sell for around $50,000
http://www.hollandandholland.com/~ne...guns/index.htm
A .700 nitro express that they make would cost $100 a round
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/a...3943-3,00.html
You got something that rivals an H&H 700 nitro for thousands less.

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Old January 27, 2006, 06:36 PM   #6
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What savage has a 12GA diameter bolt and is as long as a 50bmg?? I am guessing you made everything from scratch including the barrel?
Please enlighten me!
Chase
BTW VERY NICE PROJECT,DOESNT LEAD VAPORIZE/CRUSH due to air resistance past 2000fps? and I thought the 12GA was .768 diameter or around that,bmg is aroun .50 how'd you get them to fit?
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Old January 27, 2006, 06:58 PM   #7
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VE-It is a Savage 210 bolt action shotgun, came in 12ga
with light barrel, put on a 12ga heavy Pacnor barrel..
It has a big 3 lug bolthead and pic is below beside
an Enfield bolt for comparision.Action is very long
and I just opened the loading port for longer cases.

12ga is .729 inch
diameter, and we used bmg cases to make a long brass
12ga case,as base of bmg is same as 12ga, so we just
straightened out the case, and put a 12ga size rim on it.
The lead slugs are hardened for high velocity.

expeditionx-bender711-Yes great for grizzly.And only 600 bucks in
the gun in my case.Recoil is easy as barrel is long and gun
is 25lbs, and perfect balance..That most important is the
balance..it has big recoil pad.And we got guys with the
700NE virus that now plan using this to do it.Rim
size for 700NE is same, and 3.5 inch case where ours is 3.87.
700 base is .780,ours is .801. And 700 is loaded to only
35,000 psi the max that our hottest load is.


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Old January 27, 2006, 07:04 PM   #8
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you're my new hero.

I'd love a pic of that round next to a 17 HMR! hahaha!!!

I'm not a typical macho big bore chest pounder, but THAT ROCKS!!!
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Old January 27, 2006, 07:47 PM   #9
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Years ago, I saw a .50 BMG "Springfield" with a piston shock absorber cut into the stock. Might be worth a look-see. I don't think it was factory stock (so to speak.)

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Old January 27, 2006, 07:52 PM   #10
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So, where can I get one of these ?

That thing is awesome! Elephants beware !
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Old January 27, 2006, 09:52 PM   #11
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Buy a Savage 210 for 400bucks, throw away barrel and plastic stock,get a heavy 12ga barrel Min diameter 1.5 in.
Get hevy stock with big butt to put wt in,
lenthen port, change bolt stop ,and so on.

Now if you want real African rifle quality you can
do one like Rob did, in this picture,with big Borchardt
falling block action.Ed


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Old January 28, 2006, 01:44 AM   #12
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Thats another gorgeous shoulder cannon.

Thats just two huge WOWs. Nice work done on both of those.
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Old January 28, 2006, 09:18 PM   #13
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BigFun--Here is picture of bmg case with rim on, before
we straighten it out, next to finished case.The
slug in the 12GA FH case is a Dixie 730 gr hard lead.Ed


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Old January 29, 2006, 12:59 AM   #14
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Wow

Any chance of having someone do this commerically? All we need now is to have some gene splicing company come up with way to clone theropods and sauropods from the Jurassic and Cretacious for some real insane Nugent style hunting and not that Spielberg feel good crap. Always bothered me that no one ever brought sufficient firepower on that damned island. Sorry to get of track there.
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Old January 29, 2006, 03:40 AM   #15
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How do you remove the neck without tearing the brass? Thats a whole quater inch of diameter stretching. And how are you adding the rim?

I can't reload, my current living situation prevents that. I really wish I could, but there would be problems with my roommates. Kind of like the reason I got my gun safe; one day, one of them said, "If I hear someone breaking into my car, and you aren't here, I'll get one of your shotguns and go get them."

If there was someone that made a bunch of these, either model, at a reasonable price (1200 to 1500?) and sold some ammo, could do a lot of business. Maybe 900 or so if the customer provided the Savage gun... You have about what, 900-1k in this, plus time (10-15 hours?) and ammo?

I realld don't have the ability to make of these, but would love to give one a good home. Regular feedings and waterings would be no problem, along with regular excercise.....
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Old January 29, 2006, 05:18 AM   #16
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stretching the bmgs neck out would not be that big of a deal as to an earlyer post i know because i load 7mm tcu which is a 7mm bullet in 223 case and beside the 50s brass is huge i am more worried about how much and what kind of powder and the putting that rim on.
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Old January 29, 2006, 02:33 PM   #17
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BigFun and Ace--The case is annealed from factory so
first fireforming gets it up to about.650..Then
we anneal again and fireform or use expander to go out to
.729 12ga bore.We put rim on by turning off original
rim downt little less than groove diameter geting 5/8 in
diameter stub .Thread it 5/8 by 24 and screw on a premade
12ga size rim using locktite.Holds the strain of resizing
ok.Now two ways to load cases like these-fast shotgun powders
in amount filling fraction of cases using cards and wads
to fill space to bullet.That's regular shotgun setup, and I
don't do that. I use 90% plus fill of real slow powders,
mostly surplus, at 3 bucks a lb. Example, Can put in 320 gr of
WC860 with 730 gr slug for 2400 fps.Ed
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Old January 30, 2006, 05:01 PM   #18
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Isn't that a little light? I would think that you'd want to be pushing 1200gr slugs to get better sectional density.

I don't think .730 @ 730 grains would be adequate for elephant.




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I've had a perpetual state of erectile solidification every since I saw this thread last week. That's more than 4 hours, so should I call a doctor?
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Old January 30, 2006, 07:25 PM   #20
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Soak it in ice water
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Old January 30, 2006, 08:12 PM   #21
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Any chance of having someone do this commerically?
TRUE THAT!!!
+100 sig226man.

Have you tested to see what kind of penetration you can get with that?
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Old January 30, 2006, 08:14 PM   #22
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Also, has anyone checked the legallity of this? I thought that anything with a rifled barrel and bore larger than .50 was a D.D.
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Old January 30, 2006, 08:26 PM   #23
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Hehe, 12 gauge is considered a "sporting" gun. I don't see any legal wrongdoing here.
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Old January 30, 2006, 08:28 PM   #24
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tiny--The 730 lead isn't for elephant.Good for bear and
lion at 2400.Good for deer and hogs..Super great for the big bore club target shoots..Rob has 2000gr banded solid he plans on
taking to africa. Bridger makes any wt of banded brass
solids you need.
Nicotine--Shotguns are exempt, even rifled.Otherwise there'd
be 20 million lawbreakers who use rifled shotguns or rifled chokes.As far commercial who knows. There are those who are doing it themselves,we can find them the brass, and there are those who now seeing the Savage 210, are doing the
nitro express calibers,Just found a stock blank for guy doing a
700NE.Ed.
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Old January 30, 2006, 11:02 PM   #25
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May have to build me one

Love all the stuff you do with big guns. One of theses days I'll have to take on a project like one of your 4 bores.
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