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Old January 17, 2006, 10:07 AM   #1
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MAK 90 stocks

I'm giving some thought to buying a MAK 90 from a local dealer. Great condition and very good price.
My question is, can I replace the thumbhole stock with a pistol grip and regular stock. It is a stamped reciever.
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Old January 17, 2006, 10:27 AM   #2
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I have a MAK-90 that i actually replaced the stock. The wood thumb-hole just doesnt fit my american hands correctly.

What I did is get a wood stock replacement from Ironwood Designs. The guy there makes some real quality stocks if you want to be authentic and stick with wood.

Other than that, got to ACE LTD and check thier AK stock replacements for the MAK-90. They have side folders, etc..
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Old January 17, 2006, 10:30 AM   #3
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and let's not forget, to stay legal, you need to add a certain number of US made parts. I believe ACE will sell you a parts kit with the side folder etc., to bring it legal:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=186729

MAK90 is a stamped AK.... http://www.riflestocks.com/AKStamped.htm
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Old January 17, 2006, 10:32 AM   #4
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You are correct, but I live in a FREE STATE that let's the civilians put the pistol grip back on the rifle since the ban went bye-bye
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Old January 17, 2006, 10:45 AM   #5
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ok, but it doesn't matter. It still must be compliant with 922(r), since it's an import. The feds can sent you on a long vacation if they catch you with a rifle with a P-grip or folding stock, without the requisite number of US-made parts. If I'm not mistaken. That's why the descriptions at ace say that this comes all parts necessary, blah, blah..... Am I full of it here?
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Old January 17, 2006, 11:26 AM   #6
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If i am not mistaken, the rifle is supposed to have the correct number of parts when you bought it.

The number of parts is supposed to pertain to the kits being built from scratch. Such as FAL, and AK kits being built into full rifles? I dont think it pertains to complete rifles that you buy.
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Old January 17, 2006, 12:01 PM   #7
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922(r) does pertain to the MAK-90. regardless of the death of the Assault Weapons Ban, the MAK-90 needs to be converted to a "domestic" rifle, technically. Therefore, it is illegal to convert a MAK-90 to pistol grip configuration without having the requisite number of US parts (which is why vendors sell conversion "kits" that allow the weapon to be 922(r) compliant).
As far as anyone being prosecuted for this violation, I have no idea. It seems unlikely that anyone would be specifically prosecuted for this crime alone - probably the type of thing they would heap on as part of a larger indictment.
Anyway, that's the situation.

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Old January 17, 2006, 04:15 PM   #8
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I understand that it has been unclear whether a Dragunov stock is equivalent to a pistol grip. After all, the MAK's original stock is thumb hole and very similar to Dragunov. Yes, yes?

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Old January 17, 2006, 04:40 PM   #9
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Lummox,
I live in a free state too I guess I can just make my ak's fully auto.
What a great idea. Surely there is no such thing as gun laws.
Its a felony to modify your MAK90 in to a plain pistol grip and stock without adding compliance parts.
The link below explains why.
Guess what theres more gun laws than the assult weapon ban of 1994. If you dont have a problem fixing up a pistol grip on an ak illegally then why not go the whole route and turn it full auto.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...gn+rifle+legal
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Old January 17, 2006, 08:45 PM   #10
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I don't know where you read that I am encouraging someone to commit a felony. I will conceed that my understanding must have been incorrect?

I just would like to see one case where someone got nailed for having a AK, MAK, SKS or other with the incorrect number of US parts.

I have bought some US parts for my FAL, AK's etc and there are no definitive marks that tell me they are US parts, some do. My point is that it is such a screwy set of laws, confusing and even majority of LE you as about it will not know.

I wouldnt modify a firearm into a machine gun, and would never intentionally modify any firearm into a illegal configuration. I love shooting too much to lose my right by becoming a felon, I am sure most would agree.

If you want to swap the stock, just buy $60 in small parts and make it legit.
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Old January 17, 2006, 09:52 PM   #11
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In a nutshell,

On July 6, 1989 the Secretary of the Treasury used the authority delegated to him by Congress under Title 18 USC § 925(d)(3) to restrict the import of “non-sporting” firearms.

On July 6, 1989 various military style semiautomatic rifles were determined by ATF to be “non-sporting” based on a variety of features and banned from importation. The authority to impose this ban stemmed from the 1968 Gun Control Act, specifically Title 18 USC § 925(d)(3).

Shortly thereafter, various manufacturers began importing foreign parts and assembling them on locally made receivers. Congress responded in 1990 by passing new regulations. Title 18 USC § 922(r) made it illegal to build any firearm prohibited from importation as “non-sporting” under Title 18 USC § 925(d)(3). Note that only assembly is illegal—possession, transfer, etc, of such a firearm are not covered.

However, the 1990 law was so vague that in 1993 the ATF wrote regulations (178.39) that spell out the “10-or-less imported parts rule” and what “imported parts” mean. It states that only 10 imported parts are allowed in an unsporting imported firearm. This new law and regulation shows up in the 1995 Federal Firearms Guide. During the interim many rifles were built at home from imported parts without concern to parts count.

Any foreign semiauto rifle assembly or modification since the import law took effect requires that compliance is met. Currently making a MAK90 into a non-importable pre1990 configuration (regular pistol grip AK) requires that compliance parts are swapped in making the MAK90 exempt. Best to use parts that say made in USA. Tapco has such parts. http://www.tapco.com/product_list.asp?dept=15&last=39

Lummox didnt mean to imply tha your encouraging a felony. Just seemed like keeping it legit wasnt a priority. Glad you know better.
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Old April 15, 2009, 01:07 PM   #12
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Parts kits

that link to Tapco does not work . Ok if we assume that a Mak-90 need "compliance parts" to have a folding stock or even a pistol grip sock where would one purchase a "compliance kit," all I see there are loose compliance parts and I would have no idea what to purchase.
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Old April 15, 2009, 01:29 PM   #13
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IIRC, the MAK-90 needs 5 compliance parts. Pistol grip, buttstock, and a Tapco G2 trigger group (with a Red Star Arms retainer plate replacing the shepherd's crook spring being highly recommended) will do it. Installation will take all of maybe 30 minutes, less if you're handy. Just check and see if you have a milled or stamped receiver before ordering parts (when I converted a MAK, it was a stamped receiver, but I still had to shave the buttstock a bit so it would fit- piece of cake). You should be able to get everything you need from Brownells.



And while I can't quote somebody having been convicted under 922r (general thinking is that it's the sort of thing that they'd nail you with if they were wanting a piece of your hide anyway... think Al Capone and tax evasion), it is extremely unwise to yourself violate that law or to recommend violation to someone.
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Old April 15, 2009, 01:42 PM   #14
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Aside from ensuring that the MAK-90 remains compliant with 18 USC 922(r), you also need to see whether the back of the receiver is "slant cut." Ironwood Designs has a good clear picture showing the difference between different AK receiver types on this page. If the receiver is slant cut you'll need to get the appropriate type of stock.

Converting a MAK-90 over to regular pistol grip configuration is worth the effort, IMO. I've done it and the result is a fine rifle.
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Old April 15, 2009, 07:38 PM   #15
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Tapco G2 trigger group (with a Red Star Arms retainer plate replacing the shepherd's crook spring being highly recommended)
This advice is spot on. This can be bought from Red Star, and is easily installed for not a lot of money. I think it took 20 minutes. I did this just for peace of mind.
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Old April 17, 2009, 10:46 PM   #16
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Thank you for the help . I will give that a try.
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Old April 17, 2009, 11:19 PM   #17
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Well thanks for trying to help but as much as I like fire arms anything beyond basic fieldstipping is to much for me so i won't be trying this after all I don't think.
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Old November 4, 2010, 10:31 PM   #18
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I know this thread is old, but one option not mentioned

An option is to use US made AK mags at least for use on the firing range. (3 parts), with a US made stock, grip and forearm (one part), that makes six.

That keeps the MAK internals original, the good for AK trigger being one of its strong points (and differences from other AKs).

That appeals to me. Maybe not for others, but I like it and worth mentioning.

For the SHTF scenario you can keep your AK magazines as it will not make any difference at that point.
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Old November 4, 2010, 10:41 PM   #19
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Yes an old thread revisited. I hate that, but as long as someone else did it.
I bought a Mak90 with a pistol grip & an under folding stock? So legal or not?
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Old November 6, 2010, 10:17 PM   #20
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don't chance it

Do some reading and get an understanding of 922(r), and then go tweak your AK and make it legal.

Its not that hard, virtually all the parts you need are drop in or simple hand tool fit, except the piston, which you may not need to fool with depending on what all else you change.

BtW, I have a slant cut receiver, and a std fixed butt stock is holding up just fine. Looks a bit odd, but no less stable.

Just because nobody has supposedly been prosecuted, doesn't mean you won't be the first.
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Old November 8, 2010, 04:17 PM   #21
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Out of curiousity, can anyone actually site someone being prosecuted for allegedly violating 922?
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Old November 8, 2010, 06:28 PM   #22
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Maybe someone should just start a thread asking that.
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Old July 24, 2011, 03:06 PM   #23
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I have a norinco mak 90 with a milled receiver and it is slanted. My question is: I have done all the work to make it 922compliant and Im doing the machine work to get ride of the slant. Im looking at a tapco 6 position stock, do I need to buy the one for the milled receiver or stamped? Sounds like a stupid question but I ask because I know it isnt set up for my gun either way due to the gap. Like I said, Im closing that gap with some steel so I just need to know which style to get. TY
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Old July 24, 2011, 03:27 PM   #24
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You would need the milled receiver version, if I recall
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Old July 26, 2011, 07:20 PM   #25
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I hope so cuz I ordered the dark flat earth tapco t6 for milled receiver. going to be a pain in the ass to make that slant straight again because I believe it isnt as simple as just boxing it back in. Ill post pics as I mod it
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