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Old December 26, 2005, 08:07 PM   #1
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.308 Vs..270

Alright guys, I need some opinions here. I currently own a Remington 700 BDL in .270 Win. I have hunted with this rifle for the past 6 years and am sort of getting interested in trying to get a new ( i.e. different) rifle. I really like the Rem. 700 and was wondering about caliber and model suggestions. I hunt deer in south GA. cotton/peanut fields and routinely have shots from 3-400 yards. Without having to get into the super high powered 7 Mags and.300 Win Mags, what would be some good choices. Also, my girlfriend shoots a .308 Win.. What are the pro's and con's of a .308 vs. a .270 for my type of hunting? Thanks for your comments and help.
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Old December 26, 2005, 11:28 PM   #2
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Although i prefer the 308, if you have a good 270 there is no reason to buy one. They are both fairly close in performance and will do the same thing to a deer.
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Old December 26, 2005, 11:38 PM   #3
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The 270 has the advantage for the long range shots. Actually they are very close in performance. 308 will have an advantage at close shots with bigger game, but when the shots are in the 400 yards the 270 with 140 grain bullets will be the ticket in the trajectory and downrange power delivery. josh
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Old December 26, 2005, 11:39 PM   #4
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Old December 26, 2005, 11:46 PM   #5
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Why restrict yourself to a 270 or 308. Think about a 30.06. It's the most versitile cartridge out there, and will allow you to hunt varmint to big game.
Without getting into reloading, 110 to 220 grain bullets are available over the counter.
No other cartridge can offer you that. It's a no brainer!.....
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Old December 27, 2005, 12:04 AM   #6
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If you are planning to shoot 110 - 220 grain you better have two rifle twist to stabilize such a wide range of bullets. Then if you do need to own two rifles you might as well put some spice in your life. josh
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Old December 27, 2005, 01:53 AM   #7
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There is no Ballistic Advantage that the .308 has over the .270 at any range.

At 300-400 Yards only the 7mm Remington Magnum equals the .270 for the same recoil.

For a whitetail there is no reason to hit them with a bigger bullet. The .270 is Ideal for your use.

The only reason for a new rifle is that you hate your rifle.
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Old December 27, 2005, 08:59 AM   #8
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The only reason for a new rifle is that you hate your rifle.

Wow, then I really need help. I didnt realize I hated my life that much , with the amount of guns I own I guess I should be clinging to the outside of a skyscraper right about now trying to be talked down by the fire department
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Old December 27, 2005, 09:05 AM   #9
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The 308 does have a ballistic advantage over the 270 at shorter range. It can fire bigger and heavier bullets. Shooting a black bear or a big wild boar will certainly have me picking a 308 over a 270 in wooded areas. josh
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Old December 27, 2005, 09:29 AM   #10
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There is no Ballistic Advantage that the .308 has over the .270 at any range.

For a whitetail there is no reason to hit them with a bigger bullet. The .270 is Ideal for your use.
+1. The .270 is one of the finest all-purpose cartridges around, if not the finest. You've got exactly what you need for long range, without getting into magnums.

Since you have the long range covered, you *might* look into getting more of a so-called brush gun. Something like a lever-action in .30-30 win, .35 rem, .44 mag, .357 mag, or .454 casull, with a short barrel. These will give you less recoil than .270, and thus makes practicing more enjoyable, and would likely thus lead to increased skill with them. These will shine in the brushy areas as being quick handling and light to tote around. Made for quick snap shots, usually with iron sights only.

Or, you might get something in more of a varmint caliber, .243 win on down to rimfires.

Or, you might get something BIG but 'non-magnum', like a .338-'06, or the new .338-08, .35 whelen, 9.3x62mm, .375 Win, .45-70, or .444 marlin.

Or, perhaps the best idea of all is, you might go with a dedicated deer rifle in one of the 'goldilocks' calibers for whitetails: .257 roberts, .250-3000 Savage, .260 rem, 6.5x55 swede, or even .243 win. These offer lower recoil but plenty of performance at all ranges for deer.
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Old December 27, 2005, 09:44 AM   #11
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I also would stick with the .270. Best whitetail cartridge ever.
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Old December 27, 2005, 03:18 PM   #12
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I would probably opt for the .270. However, you can't go wrong with either. You have a dilema with no downside to it.............Essex
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Old December 27, 2005, 03:43 PM   #13
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the .270 is awesome for deer. the 30-06 has a wide variaty of loads though. i like ours, i use it primarily for elk out here with a 220 grain load, it gets the job done. definately not overkill. alot of my huntin buddies like the 30-30's for deer, i myself havent shot one though.
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Old December 27, 2005, 03:58 PM   #14
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Joshua says........

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If you are planning to shoot 110 - 220 grain you better have two rifle twist to stabilize such a wide range of bullets. Then if you do need to own two rifles you might as well put some spice in your life. josh
I'm no expert, but the 30.06, 1 and 10 twist will do the job.
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Old December 27, 2005, 04:28 PM   #15
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As far as deer hunting is concerned, the .270, .308, and .30-06 all perform about the same in terms of trajectory, recoil, and power. If you can't hit it and kill it with the __________ (pick one of the calibers), then you probably wouldn't have been able to hit it or kill it with the ________ or the __________ (pick the other two calibers), either.

Oh, I know what everyone will say. The .270 130 grain round won't drop as much at 400 yards as the 150 or 168 grain .308 round will. So if you can regularly competently kill deer that are 400 yards away, my compliments, and you might want to stick with the .270. Me? I can't make those 400 yard shots regardless of the what the heck I shoot. But I'll tell ya, the .30 caliber 150/168 grain round puts quite a wallop on a deer! Join the dark side, Luke, and buy the .308. Try the Remington Classic.

You're asking us for justification to buy a new rifle? Ha. Just buy it!! You know you want a new rifle, and that is reason enough. Tell the girlfriend that you are so in love with her that you had to buy a .308 -- now you can buy ammo together!
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Old December 27, 2005, 10:07 PM   #16
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Go with the .06.......more versitility enableing you to hunt larger game than deer if the opportunity arises.
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Old December 28, 2005, 09:37 PM   #17
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.308 is one of the most eficient bullets out there

because it has a very predictable trajectory that is why snipers prefer it, it is easy to adjust for diffrent ranges. if you zero at 100 you will always be 1 inch low at 200 yards, if you zero at 200 you should be about 3 inches low at 400 and 1 inch high at 100.
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Old December 28, 2005, 10:17 PM   #18
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You can just as easily do the math with the 30.06, and still have a better more versitle cartridge than the .308.
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Old December 29, 2005, 12:09 AM   #19
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You can just as easily do the math with the 30.06, and still have a better more versitle cartridge than the .308.
...slightly more versatile...slightly...
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Old December 29, 2005, 01:17 AM   #20
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true

but it all depends, with a 100 grain bullet the 30-06 is 400 fps faster. with a 168 the .308 comes out on top 150 fps faster. with a 190 grain bullet they are pretty much even at 2750fps. in this analysis it appears that the 30-06 does well with lighter bullets like most other long cartriges and the .308 seems to be indiffrent. between the 100 and the 190 the .308 only varied about 300 fps, while the 30-06 varied alost 700 fps, wich is another reason snipers like the .308, its trajectory only changes a little bit with diffrent weight bullets. the 30-06 is a good solid reliable classic cartrige but just like all the other oldies, velocity varies alot more with diffrent bullet weights. the .308 is a much more efficient cartrige because it doesn't taper as much and it has a steeper shoulder angel causing higher pressures. a lot of hunters think that the 30-06 is the best cartrige there is because their first rifle was chambered in it. the 30-06 is indeed a great cartrige but in most cases i would prefer the .308
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Old December 29, 2005, 02:11 AM   #21
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Fancy footwork in your assesment, but the 30.06 still comes shining on top.
The .06 will forever be known as the ALL AROUND cartridge for most, if not all, hunting needs.
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Old December 29, 2005, 05:25 AM   #22
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I've always reloaded my rounds and seldom purchase factory ammo. With my observation the 06 has advantage over the 308 with heavy bullets because of more powder. We are looking at 200 fps more for the 06, that's about 100 yards of extending the effectiveness of the 308 bullet. For 100 yards will you sacrifice the short action, smoother feeding and less recoil. If you are willing to trade that off then the 06 is a better round. josh
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Old December 29, 2005, 08:28 AM   #23
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very well put Joshua...
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Old December 29, 2005, 09:02 AM   #24
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All good comments here. You might check out more of the same in a nearly identical thread from a few weeks ago. I'm a .270 shooter, but the .308 is fine too for reasons mentioned. However, unless you have unlimited funds or plan to get rid of the .270 for some reason, the two rounds are too similar to be in the same "fleet" and constitute your entire lineup. I would jump up to a .300 WM or some such for a round different enough to fill in any significant gaps you might have in your arsenal. However if, as you said, you are still not looking to magnums, you might look at the 30-06 which, although also very similar for 85% .270 duty, offers the bullet weights/impact ballistics at the longer ranges (than the .308 or .270) to be a worthwhile elk candidate--performing that much better than the .270 for that duty to make it a worthwhile addition. If you got rid of your .270 and wanted a one-gun battery, the .30-06 would be it IMO.

BTW, you don't state what the .270 is not doing for you to begin with you think the .308 will--in your hunting circumstances.
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Old December 29, 2005, 04:26 PM   #25
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It's the heavier grain bullet 200, 210, 220, and more power for larger game that's the advantage. I believe there is also a larger than 220 grain out there, not sure.
The .308 is a good round, don't get me wrong. But unless your going into magnums for larger game than deer, the .06 is the better choice than the .308.........
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