The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Tactics and Training

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 20, 2005, 01:39 AM   #1
roger-ruger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 25, 2005
Posts: 251
Your thoughts on the bat

Hello Everyone;

Need your practical and tactical thoughts on this. I occasionally (this means not everyday) carry a standard 1911/45acp with 2 spares of fully loaded magazines and a miniature folding Harley Davidson knife deep in my semi hi-cut boots. But lately, after dropping at a local sports store to shop for some shooting gloves i chance upon a regular aluminum baseball bat and I was wondering if its practical to put one in the car for additional protection . I was thinking that in the event of a possible armed confrontation (not exactly guns vs. guns) a bat would be an appropriate response. A knife would be more of a close contact combat however with a bat a 3ft fighting distance would be safer for me to address a possible agression or neutralize a perp. What y'all think?

Thanks for everyones thoughts.
roger-ruger is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 01:44 AM   #2
Blackwater OPS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 11, 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,153
Check your local laws before you do this, in some places carrying a bat without a legit(sporting) purpose is illegal. Even if you have CCW.
__________________
"Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Ben Franklin

Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell
Died 9/1/2005
and the best DS ever
MSG Matthew Ritz
Died 11.23.2005
matthewritz.com

For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know.

(\__/)
(='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny!
(")_(")
Blackwater OPS is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 02:02 AM   #3
Garand Illusion
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 4, 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,278
A 3 or 4 cell maglight makes more sense to me. The 4 cell swings better than a bat and can really put the hurt to someone. They are definitely a deadly weapon, though.

I always carry a 3 cell in my car, as it's a nice compromise of a weapon/flashlight (never used it for anything except a flashlight, of course).
__________________
"A coward dies a thousand deaths; the valiant taste of death but once."

Atheists will believe anything to avoid the truth.
Garand Illusion is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 02:25 AM   #4
C Philip
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 9, 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 784
I would rather get a expandible baton like a Monadnock or an ASP than a baseball bat. The big flashlight is also a good alternative.
C Philip is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 02:44 AM   #5
oystermick
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 11, 2004
Posts: 197
What weight and length bat are you considering? When choosing a baseball bat, there are a number of factors that must be taken into consideration; Are you paranoid about little leaguers or big leaguers? Wood or aluminum? Skull smashing or just simple muscle and/or bone bruising? So many tactical questions... so much anticipation and paranoia, it's difficult to choose the proper tactical bat. You may also want to consider golf clubs... A 1 iron has very serious tactical possibilities.
__________________
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed- unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." - James Madison
oystermick is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 03:02 AM   #6
roger-ruger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 25, 2005
Posts: 251
no particular type of bat any kind of bat i thought wouldl do. as for legal issues on this, i think there is none as far as im concerned i lived here in R.P.

anticipation, paranoia? i really dont know. i just thought a bat response can be another tactical response. i thought it would not be appropriate to draw your pistol against 1 or even 2 BGs thats unarmed.
roger-ruger is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 03:11 AM   #7
tanksoldier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 7, 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 218
In any situation where you would be justified in using the bat, you'd be justified in using a gun.
__________________
I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told, and I win where I fight."

GEN George S. Patton, Jr.
tanksoldier is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 03:58 AM   #8
Blackwater OPS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 11, 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,153
+1 for the 4 cell maglight
__________________
"Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Ben Franklin

Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell
Died 9/1/2005
and the best DS ever
MSG Matthew Ritz
Died 11.23.2005
matthewritz.com

For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know.

(\__/)
(='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny!
(")_(")
Blackwater OPS is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 06:04 AM   #9
r.w. schrack
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 9, 2005
Location: Delaware
Posts: 326
A Stinger!

I carry a Steam light Stinger here at work, makes a good defense tool and not that big. For an auto 4 cell mag lite is fine. Schrack
r.w. schrack is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 06:04 AM   #10
stratus
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 5, 2005
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 882
There are rumors circulating on the internet that aluminum baseball bats are able to deflect bullets the way Jedi deflect blaster bolts using their lightsabers. It can be done, but you have to be quick about it. Generally not a reliable technique. It's better to be the one WITH the gun.
stratus is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 06:09 AM   #11
roger-ruger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 25, 2005
Posts: 251
stratus you just brought this bat thing to another level. seriously, the maglight is a sensible suggestion but i feel i can get a better grip and whack with a baseball bat
roger-ruger is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 06:18 AM   #12
stratus
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 5, 2005
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 882
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger-Ruger
stratus you just brought this bat thing to another level. seriously, the maglight is a sensible suggestion but i feel i can get a better grip and whack with a baseball bat
Speaking of lightsabers, they make some pretty sturdy lightsaber replicas that you can beat an opponent into submission with, plus they light up and make sound effects with the realism of the movies. Guaranteed to totally freak out your average BG. If you really want to send him to la-la land, shout in your most fearsome voice: "I have a thousand years of power!"

Another advantage of wielding a bat: The person holding it is allowed to get away with saying "I'm Batman".

Okay. Jokes aside, bats are fine. Really. I see no problem using them.
stratus is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 07:37 AM   #13
doncameron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 25, 2005
Location: Upstate S.C.
Posts: 144
4 or 6 C-cell mag-light, better than a bat and legal to carry in your vehicle.
as far as the grip goes, you hold it just in front of the head (the bulb end).

Just my .02 worth.

done it in the Military (MP) worked better than the Night sticks they issued.
doncameron is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 07:47 AM   #14
jeff_troop
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 24, 2005
Location: NRA Patron member from MS
Posts: 459
put some baseball bat tape around the mag light and it won't slip even in a sweaty hand.
jeff_troop is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 07:56 AM   #15
XavierBreath
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 6, 2002
Location: North Louisiana
Posts: 2,800
My most vulnerable time is when I exit a patient's home and return to my vehicle, a Jeep Grand Cherokeee, in bad neighborhoods. I have been away from the Jeep for 30-45 minutes, plently of time for a gang to organize an attack on my return, with the knowlege of where I must go. The attack could be for money, drugs. or syringes, all of which I am percieved as carrying.

I make it known that I do not carry these things unless for a specific patient who needs them.
I get to know people in these communities, including the little gangsters.
I do several things before returning.
I scope out the Jeep through a window.
When I leave the apartment, I take an alternate route to the Jeep.
I watch behind me in the glass of the Jeep.

Still, I am vulnerable because they know where I will eventually appear, at the rear of the Jeep. I expect the attack to commence when my back is turned, putting my medical bag into the rear of the Jeep.

I carry an aluminum baseball bat in the rear of the Jeep. I also carry my daughter's softball and glove back there. The bat gives me a formidable less than lethal weapon to engage multiple attackers with. It is longer, lighter, and more secure than a maglight. Thus it has more reach, swings faster and is less easily lost. A transition from bat to handgun is easily accomplished.

I have only had to pull my bat one time. It was a scenerio as I've described, at the rear of my Jeep several years back. I was an unknown quantity in this 'hood. As I was returning my bag to the rear of the Jeep, I was quickly approached by 5-6 teens who were intent on me and performing flanking manuevers. The leader was speaking something, I did not understand what it was. He was about 15 feet away when I pulled my bat out and whacked the end of it into my free hand.

They stopped dead in their tracks and dispersed. I took the bat to the front of the Jeep, got in, and drove off. They never knew I had a gun.

A properly applied bat can be an incapcaitating weapon that is not seen as lethal. The very fact that you resorted to it rather than your gun demonstrates your restraint. The key is having a reason for it being available at the time.
__________________
Xavier's Blog
XavierBreath is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 09:58 AM   #16
brett23
Junior member
 
Join Date: July 17, 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 82
I carry a 3 ft long steel pipe in the back of my truck. If I ever get questioned about it I can prove that I use it to remove the Serpintine belt off my engine.
brett23 is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 01:49 PM   #17
BigFunWMU
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 26, 2005
Posts: 304
If you are going to bring a bat with you, toss a ball and glove in there too. Its a good way to avoid hassle.
BigFunWMU is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 02:42 PM   #18
CraigJS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 31, 2005
Posts: 372
BigFun, +++ Put the bat on the floor behind your seat along with an old glove and baseball/softball.. that way you have a reason for the bat to be there!
Is America's past time against the law officer??
CraigJS is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 02:53 PM   #19
Blackwater OPS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 11, 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,153
Quote:
done it in the Military (MP) worked better than the Night sticks they issued.
That's not allowed!
__________________
"Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Ben Franklin

Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell
Died 9/1/2005
and the best DS ever
MSG Matthew Ritz
Died 11.23.2005
matthewritz.com

For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know.

(\__/)
(='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny!
(")_(")
Blackwater OPS is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 03:42 PM   #20
Fremmer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 19, 2005
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 3,482
The only bat worth having is a black tactical bat; it should be a modern-metal bat; I would suggest titanium. Additionally, you should mount a sure-fire bat-lite on it, so that you can blind the perp before bashing him but good. Finally, you'll need a tactical behind-the-back bat-holster that allows you to carry the bat on your person when necessary.
Fremmer is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 06:54 PM   #21
doncameron
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 25, 2005
Location: Upstate S.C.
Posts: 144
Blackwater ops said "That's not allowed!"

When I would go in a bar fight I had both a stick (issued) and my Mag-light,
used stick until it broke, then I used the Mag-light.

Then it was allowed!
doncameron is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 08:03 PM   #22
Blackwater OPS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 11, 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,153
heheh, I would just wait outside till they got tired of fighting. But then again you might be one of the guys that hit me on the back of the head and knocked me out while I was MPI, plainclothes in the E club.

Used to be good fun to watch the rookies run alone and get their buts kicked, only work once though, they would always wait for backup the next time.
__________________
"Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Ben Franklin

Spc. Jeremy M. Campbell
Died 9/1/2005
and the best DS ever
MSG Matthew Ritz
Died 11.23.2005
matthewritz.com

For those who have had to fight for it, Life holds a special meaning that the protected will never know.

(\__/)
(='.'=) Someone set us up the bunny!
(")_(")
Blackwater OPS is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 08:18 PM   #23
coolridelude
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 26, 2005
Location: TX
Posts: 406
Quote:
brett23 I carry a 3 ft long steel pipe in the back of my truck. If I ever get questioned about it I can prove that I use it to remove the Serpintine belt off my engine.
me too but if they ask me question's i use it to help me change a flat. i put the tireiron and then i put the pipe for more leverage. but it has been used for other things too .
__________________
life doesn't give you a second chance to learn from your mistakes.
coolridelude is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 08:29 PM   #24
Mikeyboy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 31, 2005
Posts: 1,231
I Agree with the 4D maglight. Baseball bats are better as two handed weapons, and real hard to fight with one handed. Also heavy flashlights are usually legal, and less threatening in some important situations. For example, if your car breaks down, or if you get into a fender bender no one will call the cops on you because you get out of your car with a flashlight in your hand. Ironically some police departments took away the multi D cell baton flashlights and went back to wooden batons and issued AA flashlights, because the big baton flashlight did "too much damage" to the bad guy, creating lawsuits.
Mikeyboy is offline  
Old November 20, 2005, 11:12 PM   #25
roscoe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 16, 2002
Location: AZ
Posts: 479
Fungo bat!
roscoe is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.12067 seconds with 7 queries