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Old November 30, 2005, 07:00 PM   #51
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Spiffy, IZi,

If you guys keep walking around with all that crap on, you're going to have back problems by the time you reach 30 years of age.

And just out of curiousity, how do you keep that stuff from clanking when you walk? Looks to me like you'd sound like a couple of knights in full medieval armor.

Oh, don't take this too seriously; I offer it in fraternal humor.
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Old November 30, 2005, 07:09 PM   #52
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you aint kidding! i'm saving up for a Segway so i dont have to waste my energy walking.

i dunno about izi, but when i've got my gear on, my tactically large belly keeps everything spaced far enough apart that they dont bang into each other.
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Old November 30, 2005, 07:28 PM   #53
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So how much is a top shelf can?
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Old November 30, 2005, 07:30 PM   #54
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Archie, I don't really have a choice; I do this for a living. The only difference between that outfit and what I wear on a raid in Baghdad is I trade the balaclava and boonie hat for a Kevlar and trade the shotgun for camera equipment and NVGs. It comes out to somewhere around 80 pounds of gear. I'm just glad I don't carry a M249 at work.

Oh, and I make the gentle rustling sound of Cordura rubbing against Cordura when I walk. Wait, no, it's more like a whisper. Oooohh, I got it, I sound like a shadow in the night when I walk. That sounds tacticool, right?
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Old November 30, 2005, 07:35 PM   #55
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my strained heavy breathing is actually tactical. it sounds like a large animal (like a walrus or moose perhaps) so it sends the bogies running.


jart, i havent done much pricing on suppressors, but i figure a very good one can be had for maybe $1100-1500, but hopefully less.
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Old November 30, 2005, 07:41 PM   #56
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Curses! I screwed up royally!

I just realized that I'm not wearing my Kevlar codpiece in the photos! Now I must redo all the photos this weekend!

For those who think I am kidding about the codpiece, check out the "removable groin protection" in the photo. As for the removable throat protection: screw that, the thing chokes you to death when your head isn't straight and level.

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Old November 30, 2005, 10:28 PM   #57
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Found it: Brand SF 1600.00 List. One guesses there might be more discount room in cans (?)

Still, whacho get for the extra large one?

1100.00 RR Varmint, 1000.00 Leu Mk4, 1600.00 can - don't seem right.


(link to pdf at bottom of page).
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Old November 30, 2005, 10:54 PM   #58
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Holy hearing loss, Batman! If that's what SF suppressors are going for, I guess I'll just have to stick with clunky ol' muffs and making my neighbors wonder what kind of war I've got going on in this valley...

I just don't think I can acheive my full ninja tacti-cool potential without a suppressor....
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Old December 1, 2005, 12:16 AM   #59
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Cans

Wonder how much they'd be if they weren't an NFA item?

No moving parts.

No fancy finish.

No obvious special materials (unobtainium, mithril, adamantite, etc).

Lotsa paperwork and hassle - not clear how much this applies to the fabricator or how much of the 1600.00 this would represent.

Looks pretty much like something one would find on a Briggs & Stratton for 1585.00 less.

In all fairness, the 1600.00 is a "system". Hopefully, the system comprises something other than a threaded nut to hold it on. Beats me what it'd be, though. Tactical carry pouch? Fitted walnut case? An MP-5 to screw it to? (that'd be nice).

We await word from the tactically gifted...
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Old December 1, 2005, 07:21 AM   #60
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True but

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Wonder how much they'd be if they weren't an NFA item?

No moving parts.

No fancy finish.

No obvious special materials (unobtainium, mithril, adamantite, etc).
there may be no fancy parts or finish, but the research that has gone into those things has to be expensive. I do not know the whole science behind the "can" but i know enough to know that they have to be pretty tight tolerances in manufacture. So thats my theory as to why they would be expensive, if they werent a NFA item. Not all of us are professionals in the Art of Tactigery, as IZI and Spiff are , I only fired a suppressed weapon on a range and found it kind of nose heavy to the point of uncomfortable and inaccurate. My accuracy suffered greatly and as IZI can tell you, with a pistol, is not that great to begin with. I will hit the target 50 out of 50 but it looks like I shot it with a 00 buckshot 3 or 4 times. Shot grouping whats that?
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Old December 1, 2005, 07:23 AM   #61
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Holy Removable Codpiece, Batman!

Where have I been the last few days that I haven't joined in on the fun?

Spiffy and Izi, you're both tacti-cool, each in your own "special" way. Now stop fighting.

Izi, that rear plate pocket looks nice, I bet you're glad that you don't have to duct-tape them onto your back anymore (mall ninja thread anyone?). I sure am, as my extensive back hair has just finished filling in......:barf:

Spiffy, are you going with the Tactical Segway? It has several dozen rail mounts on it. I'd get the optional brass catcher, porta-potty and beverage dispenser.

Maybe cans cost so much because they're an NFA item and so not many are sold because of the tax stamp hassles, therefore the maker has to charge more related to not selling in bulk, ie: the more you sell, the less you can charge to cover expenses.

Jart, I would like a mithril suppressor, it could stand up to sustained full auto.
Unobtainium would be nice, but it's too hard to find.
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Old December 1, 2005, 07:46 AM   #62
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but the research that has gone into those things has to be expensive.
Like Viagra?

Hmmmm. Sounds plausible.
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Old December 1, 2005, 08:42 AM   #63
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mall ninja thread anyone?
Speaking of which, has anyone noticed that www.mallninja.com is down? Seems they haven't renewed their domain name. I think we should take up a collection to keep it going. Such a valuable resource for the tactical ninja/gunstore commando must be kept going for national security!
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Old December 1, 2005, 11:22 AM   #64
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Tactical Segway
I believe it was Michael Crichton that said the greatest challange facing us in the 21st century will be discerning reality from fiction.

There's much to be learned from this forum, some of which I find bemusing. I guess it was too much to hope for that feeding "tactical segway" to a search engine wouldn't turn up reality where I though only fantasy should exist:

i180 Police Package:


Not to mention a 3 year old press release on tactical segways:
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Old December 1, 2005, 08:20 PM   #65
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Spiff, your new ride has arrived. But it's going to need some time in the shop upgrading it with armor, comms, and a rail system for... something.

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but the research that has gone into those things has to be expensive.
If you read on Surefire's website about all the equipment they had to buy to ensure they had built the world's most advanced suppressor, you'll know where the list price comes from.
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Old December 1, 2005, 08:38 PM   #66
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N o gyroscopic vehicle in the world can handle Spiff, keeps fallin over belly first!

He needs a front training wheel....alos good for holding up hios Yugo Mauser on a pedestal mount

IZ ya know hes gonna win the ninja contest with you since he gettin a surefire supressor for his AR as soon as I do the paperwork

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Old December 1, 2005, 09:20 PM   #67
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Wow, I guess he really wanted the Malibu Barbie throne back. I can't compete with a Surefire suppressor... at least, not at this particular moment.

Spiff, could you at least wear the new 5.11 TACPATT uniform offered by Brigade Quartermasters for your "silenced ninja" photo? Basic black is for cocktail dresses, not urban assaults.
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Old December 2, 2005, 07:45 AM   #68
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Great now I have a mental picture of Spiffy in a little black cocktail dress....ewwwww
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Old December 2, 2005, 12:14 PM   #69
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but black defines me as a ninja! its the only color in the spectrum that captures my sullen look on life. i am the enigma! no one can understand me!

but maybe i'll wrap myself in gauze and have WA paint me in an urban camo pattern of grays and black, and then he can take a good pic of his homemade urban camo stock on his m1a.
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Old December 2, 2005, 12:31 PM   #70
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I understand you: Heres a dozen donuts, a Bush Company stripper, and 1000 rounds of 45acp. Now you are happy

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Old December 2, 2005, 03:42 PM   #71
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Spiff et al, Many years ago there was a song that perfectly described y'all, perhaps some of you remember it. I can't remember the title but part of the Chorus was "Their coming to take me away....Ha Ha, Their coming to take me away........" Wild, how did you like your visit to our fair state?
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Old December 2, 2005, 06:13 PM   #72
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and then he can take a good pic of his homemade urban camo stock on his m1a.
Hey, borrowing ninja equipment is like borrowing ninjatude! Can't be done!
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Old December 2, 2005, 06:19 PM   #73
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hey now! nothing in my Ninja Guide to Being One with the Universe says i cant model other ninja gear for fun!
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Wild, how did you like your visit to our fair state?
The one gun shop I went to sucked. There are more chain resteraunts that I have ever seen in my life. Poeple were shivering when it got to be 60F (ha!) Traffic was horrible. The Lobster Buffet was great, SWMB ate 3 Lobsters and 6 Lobster heads (she likes to scoop out the stuff inside)..

Nice thing was I could carry my seecamp no problem

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You mean there are restaurants that are not chain places anymore???
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