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Old October 10, 2005, 09:52 AM   #1
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Paranoia as a Favorite Topic on This Forum

I have noticed that paranoia is a common topic on this forum. Paranoia is introduced in jest, and ofen in all seriousness in many threads. Sometimes I even wonder if I am acting paranoid. No I don't take a shower with a pistol, but I do carry just about everywhere in public, even playing golf. So, I decided to see if the average CHL is indeed paranoid. The following quotes suggest not:
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The odds of being a victim of a violent crime during adulthood are greater than 2 to 1. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Youth Violence Research Bulletin — February 2002)

More than one in three (35 percent) of adults are estimated to fall victim to violent crime. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Youth Violence Research Bulletin — February 2002)
http://www.witnessjustice.org/news/s...m#violentcrime

Far from being paranoid, according to the CDC and DOJ, we are very likely to be victims of violent crime. The odds given here are startling. I know that statistics are malleable, but these are pretty stark, and they appear to be from reputable organizations, and from a reputable source - url is given so check it out for yourself.

These are averages of course and YMMV, but on average, watch your average non-paranoid back!
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Old October 10, 2005, 10:53 AM   #2
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There is a distinct difference between awareness and being prepared for a situation and being paranoid.

Most people here are the former, a few of you are deep into the latter.
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Old October 10, 2005, 12:57 PM   #3
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I don't like the source of the statistics. It isn't that I disagree with them, it is just that I don't care for them. You can almost say whatever you want with statistics.

For one thing, violent crime is not a disease and if it is, the cure might be worst than the disease. It is a point of view.

And I definitely don't like a law enforcement point of view. It is never in the interest of law enforcement generally for crime or crime rates to drop. Criminals are always dangerous. I must admit that the media, especially television, plays up anything like violent crime, car chases, fires, anything like that. That is always what's on first on the local evening news. Politicians also like to play up the "crime wave" angle, too. Remember when canditates ran on a "law and order" platform?

Likewise, from the standpoint of government generally, it also appears to be to the government's advantage for there to be an emergency or near emergency, whatever that might be, in order for the government to have "emergency" powers, like the Patriot act.

But maybe I am just being paranoid about it.
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Old October 10, 2005, 01:18 PM   #4
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The statistics are not enough. Do they say that one in three average americans will be a victim, or do they really mean that the it's just the bottom five percent of the population beating the snot out of each other?
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Old October 10, 2005, 01:25 PM   #5
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It says that more than one in three (35%) will be a victim. Sounds like for every 100 adults in this country that 35 of them will become victims of a violent crime. That would be on average, so say in some locales that 100% will be victims and in some others that 0% will be victims.

If you are the glass is half full type then you could look at it that out of every 100 adults 65 won't be victims of violent crime.....
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Old October 10, 2005, 01:28 PM   #6
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No paranoia here...

I just hate bullies... :barf: especially the ones who terrorize and murder helpless people in the schoolyard, and McDonald's.

I'm not paranoid. It's not my fault if everyone's out to get me!!
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Old October 10, 2005, 01:33 PM   #7
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Even paranoids have enemies....My wife used to think I was slightly paranoid for carrying off duty when it was not required until we walked into the middle of a gang shooting at a large mall where one person died and we had to chase down the suspects. (I and other officers, not my wife) She does not mention it now, either do my kids...
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Old October 10, 2005, 01:38 PM   #8
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you cant look at those stas without putting them in a geographical and sociological context.

If you lead your life based on those raw stats you are indeed paranoid

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Old October 10, 2005, 01:50 PM   #9
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"Paranoia is an illogical fear not based on fact" - Doug Lamb

The fact is that the world is not a nice place. Never has been, never will be. We all prepare ourselves to face that world the best way we feel is neccesary to protect ourselves and our loved ones from it. Some of us feel that one 5-shot revolver without extra ammo is all we need. Some don't feel safe unless they are carrying a full-size .45 IWB, a .45 compact on the ankle, a .32 NAA Guardian pocket, a 6" bowie small-of-back, while walking with a 2oz can of Fox OC in hand for getting the mail. It's all in what makes you feel comfortable. Bad things happen to good people everywhere. It can happen at home, at work, at the mall, in the shower, playing with your kids at the park, anywhere! Being prepared for "it", whatever form "it" may be, is just common sense. I saw a thread on here last night that leads me to my next thought. The stats make no difference to me. I might be a victim I might not. It's not whether or not I'll be a victim that matters as to why I prepare, I prepare simply because of what's at stake. My safety and that of my family, friends, and those around me are why I prepare. Not that I think we may end up being a victim, but if we ended up in a situation where we might, I'm prepared to defend what's at stake. I just started CCW'ing this week and I'm heading out to dinner tonight with my wife with my XD9 sitting 2:30 IWB with 1 extra mag on the holster. That's all I feel I need to be safe.

All it comes down to is "what level of protection makes YOU feel safe". If how you come to that decision allows you to sleep at night, then it's the right thing for you. I think the word paranoid and paranoia gets tossed around rather easily here without much thought.
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Old October 10, 2005, 02:05 PM   #10
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Wildalaska... you are correct about sociological and geographical context... for example...

according to the statistics (adjusted by soc and geo) 1 out of 3 residents of Montana and Alaska are alcoholics, 1 out of 5 are violent

Also consider the adjusted statistics show that you are 4 times more likely to have your home burglarized if you live in a MIDDLE class neighborhood than if you are in either a low or high end one.

Wildalaska... I lived in Montana for a few years...so this wasn't a jab at you, merely a sobering thought about what you said
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Old October 10, 2005, 02:09 PM   #11
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Actually I was leading my life before looking up those stats

I believe that a socio/economic adjustment would make a significant difference. Say it makes a difference of twice as unlikely for me - looking at the chance of being one of 17 out of 100 victims doesn't qualify as paranoia either.
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Old October 10, 2005, 02:11 PM   #12
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You have to also bear in mind that most of that violent crime takes place in cities like New York, Chicago, Boston, and DC, where armed self-defense is essentially forbidden. About 10-15% of violent crimes take place in fewer than 10 anti-gun cities across the nation, while states like Vermont and New Hampshire have a lower violent crime rate than Norway.
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Old October 10, 2005, 02:17 PM   #13
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according to the statistics (adjusted by soc and geo) 1 out of 3 residents of Montana and Alaska are alcoholics, 1 out of 5 are violent
Now put that in a further sociopolitical and geographic context and tell me how I should behave in my own sociological mileu.


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Also consider the adjusted statistics show that you are 4 times more likely to have your home burglarized if you live in a MIDDLE class neighborhood than if you are in either a low or high end one.
Again..needs to be put in a geographical/cultural socioploitical context

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Old October 10, 2005, 02:18 PM   #14
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1 out of 3 residents of Montana and Alaska are alcoholics, 1 out of 5 are violent
but what are the odds that a violent person will be an alcoholic?

thankfully i'm 2 of the three and 4 of the five. not saying i havent tried. to be an alcoholic that is. i dont have a violent cell in my body.
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Old October 10, 2005, 02:19 PM   #15
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butch50 ~

Some people just enjoy insulting other people. On TFL, they can get away with it as long as they insult an entire group of people ("some of you folks are NUTS!" "all libertarians are fruitcakes!" "anyone who carries a gun in their own home is paranoid!"), but not if they insult any particular person -- so that's what they do. They just want to dance on the line without getting their hands slapped.

Other people simply cannot comprehend how another person could live life any differently than they do themselves ... and thus when it comes out that someone else has made different choices than they did, they're befuddled by that. Befuddled people are sometimes unintentionally insulting, but they don't mean any real harm. They simply cannot comprehend that everyone doesn't live in the same basic demographic situation that they do themselves.

Then there are the folks who need to resort to ad hominem attacks in order to feel like their own choices aren't bad. "Sure, the gangs in my neighborhood all shoot at each other every Saturday night. But I don't run drugs, so no one will ever shoot at me or invade my home; anyone who thinks that way is paranoid!" They're just trying to reassure themselves that their denial of reality is both rational and normal, and the way they do this is to attack other people.

It's too bad, really. All entirely normal. But too bad.

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Old October 10, 2005, 02:30 PM   #16
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Wildalaska ... I think you inadvertantly made my point... that was posted to specifically show that statistics are a generalization, and should be treated as such. It is necessary for each of us understand how those statistics apply to us, to educate ourselves, not blindly follow numbers, and to constantly evaluate our lives. This is how we grow as individuals, and how we grow as a society.
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Old October 10, 2005, 02:32 PM   #17
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+1 to Pax.

Well said.

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Old October 10, 2005, 02:46 PM   #18
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I have noticed that paranoia is a common topic on this forum. Paranoia is introduced in jest, and ofen in all seriousness in many threads. Sometimes I even wonder if I am acting paranoid. No I don't take a shower with a pistol, but I do carry just about everywhere in public, even playing golf.

It goes back as many as four or five years, but I read a story in the newspaper that some violent criminal attacked some guys who were playing a round of golf, and one of the golfers was CCWing and popped the badguy right there on the course.

It's not paranoid to keep things you may need at a moment's notice with you so that they're available at a moment's notice. It's called preparedness.

Don't let pathetic small minds tell you different, and make you modify your behavior to where you act helpless and non-self-sufficient like they do.


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Old October 10, 2005, 02:59 PM   #19
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Don't let pathetic small minds tell you different, and make you modify your behavior to where you act helpless and non-self-sufficient like they do.






Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahah

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Old October 10, 2005, 03:00 PM   #20
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It is necessary for each of us understand how those statistics apply to us, to educate ourselves, not blindly follow numbers, and to constantly evaluate our lives. This is how we grow as individuals, and how we grow as a society.
Kudos to you Doc, spoken like a responsible gun owner!

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Old October 10, 2005, 03:04 PM   #21
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Don't let pathetic small minds tell you different, and make you modify your behavior to where you act helpless and non-self-sufficient like they do.
And there's the flip side of exactly the same thing.

A lot of people simply don't understand how someone else can blow his nose differently than they do -- and need to resort to insults in order to feel better about their own choices.

I don't understand it, but I do observe it rather a lot.

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Old October 10, 2005, 03:07 PM   #22
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Pax, you are 100% right. I have caught myself doing it once or twice, much to my chagrin.

I keep trying to do better though.
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Old October 10, 2005, 03:09 PM   #23
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You can all do as you like of course, I can't CCW in my state so I don't have to make the choice. But to base a point of view on anecdotal evidence, like " a golfer that was carrying shot a bad guy" is pretty silly to. If someone grew up in an area where CCW was the norm, that does change everything. My point of view is skewed because I grew up in NY and such things aren't even an option. I moved to Long Island for quality of life, knowing the gun laws are better then in NYC and I'd be able to own and shoot more freely. I'm not, of course, against guns, or CCW or bans and restrictions of any kind. I get bemused reading some postings because it conjures up images of "loose cannons" that are enamored by their new found power through their gun. To me, its funny reading about someone taking a gun to the shower, or on dates, but I know it is serious to that person so I'm trying to be more understanding. If we all got together and went shooting and talked, I bet we'd all get along great and see each others points of view, better. Good shooting and lets make sure we keep the precious rights we still do, and maybe even expand them!

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Old October 10, 2005, 03:09 PM   #24
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Awareness and Open Minded

Bad stuff happens to Good Folks. Period.

I do not need some .gov agency to tell me this, or to what "percentage". Just simple matter of fact of the Natural Order of this thing called Life.

I do not have Hurricanes where I live, still I read, listen and pay attention to Hurricane residents because I learn. I can 1) pass on to someone that is in/ or will be moving to an area prone to Hurricanes, 2) I can adapt to my area Prone to Tornados some things from the Hurricane folks.

I am not "paranoid" about changing diapers on baby boys either. I am the eldest male child of 4 - there were 2 boys and 1 girl that came along after me. I do not have kids of my own.

Now it makes no difference what part of the world one lives in, income status, or anything else when it comes to changing baby boys diapers.

I "tried" to tell some folks, in different parts of the US, both male and female adults, of various income levels -Have the new diaper handy, or at least a towel handy when you remove the old diaper...

They "understand" after the first baby boy diaper changing experience.

pax- am I correct?

Just because something may not apply to you - does not it may not someday apply to you personally , or to someone else.

I consider myself a "good guy" - granted some would question or argue this - still , a recent incident I had and shared here...well I was not paranoid, just Aware of the fact and Open minded enough to accept things happen to good folks out doing a normal activity one does daily. Parking my vehicle near the front entrance of a store I was going to enter.

Am I Paranoid about doing this same activity ever again? Nope.
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re Paranoia

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It is better to be prepared for an attack and hope it never happens. As far as statistics go I do not put much faith in them. Someone posted that there is a a 35% chance of being a victim of a violent crime. This statement is from a reply to this post and I have NOT researched it. Having said that I was robbed at gunpoint THREE times when I lived in the the peoples republic of New York City. Once was while I was waiting for my girl to get off work at a deli. The gunman came up on the blindside of my car and shoved a BIG revolver into my temple and took my cash and watch but did not take my car or harm me.
I was not as alert as I should have been after all I was a kid with the night's plans on my mind. The next time was at my place of employment ; a Mobil gas station I worked at part time while in college. This time two gunman came into the office and took the night's reciepts and my and my coworkers cash. They then made us drive them away in my car to a housing project the whole time with the guns to our heads. My friend cried I remained calm; they wanted me to run the red lights and I said that it would attract the cops and they did not want that, they looked at each other and said stop for all the lighsts I still do not know where that calm I had came from, and thank God I am still here. Third time and this one is the "charm" was going to my car at my college, parked off campus, after night classes. This time it was the watch and my leather jacket and the little cash I had . It is interesting to note that this all occured after the then mayor Ed Koch declared boldly that if you are caught with a handgun in NYC you get an automatic one year jail vacation. Yeah right; this did alot to keep me safe! I guess the mutts that robbed me were not afraid of jail.. there is a big surprise! Gun control in my book is putting the second round through the hole your first round made! So you can see that I am a statistical anomoly. Gee if my tendency to buck the statistics is still with me I am goiing out to but lottery tickets now. Paranoid maybe; unarmed NEVER. Ps I am in Florida now where the 2nd Amendment is a reality.
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