Best bet at lowering CCW age?

[AndrewTB]

I know its a super long shot but.....
Im angered that people the age of 18 can own a weapon but can't get a CCW. My main issue is that both women and men my age fall victims to thousands of crimes a year. Crimes that result in murder, rape and other things.

So I was talking to my mother in my car and she said do something about it. So what would be my best bet at getting anywhere with this? I do know its a big long shot. But anything is possible if you put your mind to it.

[BerettaCougar]

Writting a letter.

I was told the "Do something about it!" by my kind of antigun brother.
He isnt antigun, he is anti certain guns, like full auto's, I am more of a, all of nothing type guy.

Because think about it, I've met hunters that are anti CCW. and met CCW'ers that are anti military styled rifles.

We need to be one in this fight against "the man", not at war with ourselves.

So yeah Andrew, write a letter, get a bunch of people your age, or people that were in your shoes, and get a huge chain letter going.

Start a website, and advertise it everywhere! contact local progun radio stations, get the public to know the name of your organization.

I'm in your area, so I'm down with you, because I was in your shoes not too long ago.

[AndrewTB]

The website idea is great since im handy with HTML a little. Im going to research crime statistics too. Provide info for cases that CCW has saved lives etc...

[jefnvk]

My opinion?

Make it a general bill to lower all legal limits to 18. Drinking, gambling, weaponry, whatever else there may be.

You will get a lot more people behind the bill that way.

[dolanp]

In TX they just lowered the age to 18 if you're in the military. At least it's a start.

[AndrewTB]

If any of you have any ideas for domain name please post em. I have no idea what to name the website.

[liliysdad]

Im gonna dissent here....I cant think of a lot of 18 yr olds I deal with as a LEO that I would want carrying weapons. Personally, I am for raising many ages. I think 18 should be the minimum age for driving , for example.

[AndrewTB]

Liliy,
Im pretty sure as a LEO you also deal with plenty of full grown men you wouldn't want to own a handgun . From the sounds of it you seem to only deal with the troubled teens. They give a bad name for people like me.

There are plenty of well behaved responsible 18 year olds. I assure you the difference between allowing CCWs for people my age and not allowing it would be almost nothing. If an 18 year old is a trouble maker he will carry regardless. Seeing as how he can legally own a handgun .

I choose to follow the law. A CCW would be great for those of us who choose to obey the law. So until I get the CCW age lowered I will not be able to carry.

[blackmind]

Andrew,
GREAT POINT to Liliysdad about how he surely deals with plenty of "men" over 21 who should really not have guns, too.

If you turn 21 before you get the laws on CCW changed, just spend the next three years carrying two guns at any given time, to make up for it.


For what it's worth, I agree with you: society should not call an 18-year-old an "adult" if it is not prepared to bestow on him ALL of the "priviliges" and "rights" that are due a true adult.

Society will demand that he register to be drafted into military service; train him to kill, and put a rifle and grenades into his hands; allow him to vote for the leaders of the nation; get married, and raise kids...

...but it won't let him have the means to self defense?! It won't let him imbibe alcohol?! It won't let him buy tobacco products?! (Those last two should be at the bottom of the list of things we should care about, but still it is wrong to deny adults those rights.)

What kind of madness is this?!


-blackmind

[Ignition]

talking about 18 year olds and not thinking they hold the discretion to hold use firearms.....

then why do we keep lowering the age we prosecute kids as adults.

DAILY it is easier for a kid to kill someone with a car or die in an car accident than it is for them to be shot


But to andrew... the CCW age is different in different states... thats where i believe the power should stay with... is in the states... granted i feel the federal goverment loves to have its double standards... but hey 1968 Gun Control Act i believe chipped ALOT of 2nd amendment freedoms away from citizens.


Im just glad to say, Indiana for one openly welcomes 18+ year olds to get carry permits.

now getting the 68 GCA repealed... that will have to be something the supreme court takes on... and thats something i dont see ever going in our favor, especially with all this, lets take foreign courts views into favor.... hell half the world wants to pretend outlawing firearms will make the world safe.

would of rather the supreme court decided on an issue like this 70 years ago when the courts were so socialist crazy minded

[RosaMariTB]

I compare this as having a drivers license.
Does having one (regardless of age) prevents "ALL" drivers from driving under the influence...or reckless...or just simple accidents? This takes lives by thousands every single day.
Why should all good people have to pay for what the bad ones do ?
Many of those 18 yrs. old deserve to have protection.
They should just pay more attention to who has licenses and who doesn't have one...many things are "illegal" and not much is done.
There is good and bad "everywhere" and it is up to the good to make it better.

Oppss!! I think Ignition bit me on posting about the car accidents I'm a slow typer at least we made the point, right?

[Ignition]

yup


who in their right mind can say that a 19 year old single mother working two jobs does not have the right to defend herself. yes she would of been able to defend herself that night in the alley, but no because in some politician's mind parts of the consititution dont apply to her.

-what if we said after the age of 80 you no longer had the right to free speech
-or that after 70 you could no longer own a gun
- or you dont get a right to trial until your 27 but can be tried as an adult at 15

if we are going to set the definition as adult at age 18 and juvenielle being anything 17 and under... then we need to stick to our guns.

The right to keep and bear long guns is not what the consitution states.

as well look at the disservice in our nations capital for ALL AGES!!! you would think the capital of our nation, and yet parts of the consititution dont apply because some legal weenies feel we can make a loophole by classifying DC as not a state... but in almost every other facet of law we consider it a state.


then lets not mention the driving, voting, paying taxes, owning property(used to be a big thing on defining who was what in society), could be drafted(or currently serving in the military) common sense, but think about the principle that we are setting. Heck, a person's right to drive a car isnt a constitutional right, and that drunken driver is more deadly than my guns at home WILL EVER BE

for some reason a FFL cannot sell a handgun to someone under 21.... then again the whole reason congress feels it can control the sale of firearms is because of one small clause dealing with interstate sales.



to summarize the words of thomas paine, i may hate what you have to say, but i will defend your right to say them till the day i die


the same principle carries over in my book, for some i may dislike them having the ability to own firearms, but short of being a felon, i will defend your right to own them to the day i die.

[publius42]

Andrew,

Start that political movement on this issue. I know some young people in your area who will join you.

liliysdad,

My step-daughter was working in bars and restaurants, sometimes in high crime areas, at the age of 19-20. She came home late. Her apartment complex was itself a pretty high crime area. She's a responsible girl, and we wished she could carry. I know her friends. I'd have no problem with any of thme carrying.

I've seen them drive, and I'm kinda with you on the whole driving thing. Let's drop the CCW age to 16 and raise the driving age to 21!

Nah, that's 5 more years of driving them all over creation.

[wayneinFL]

I think 18 should be the minimum age for driving , for example.

Zoiks! I was married and working two jobs by then. No public transportation here. How would I get to and from work? How would I have even performed my job as a mechanic? How would I have moved out of my parents' house? With all my stuff in a wagon? I needed a car pretty bad.

Besides, I'd have looked pretty silly with the bride on the handlebars and all those cans trailing behind my bike.

[MicroBalrog]

Vermont/Alaska carry will solve this problem.

[AndrewTB]

OK guys. Im coming to you hoping you dont take the website name. LOL.

How does this sound?:

PROTECTTHE2ND.COM

[blackmind]

How about "RESTORETHE2ND"?

The way I see it, the 2nd Amendment needs to be RESTORED to what it was clearly intended to be.

Back in the 18th century, was there a restriction on, say, a 15-year-old kid going about the countryside with a firearm, and using it?

We need to retrace our steps and figure out where we went off the path.

-blackmind

[AndrewTB]

Blackmind that sounds much better. THANKS.


Im not the type that can pick great names. Ill be opening up a forum on it too etc... Nothing big. This place is still the best .

[MicroBalrog]

Why .com? Isn't this supposed to be .org?

[AndrewTB]

When I make a website I tend not to use .org . Seeing as how the average user is not familiar with the differences it much easier for someone to remember a .com domain. I most likley will end up buying both. But for now .com will do. To my rememberance its all about personal prefference and there are no legalities attached to selecting between org or com.

[RosaMariTB]

I have to agree with Blackmind on this one

[AndrewTB]

Crap this has happend a bit quicker then I expected. The domain and server is already up. Hopefully ill have the layout done by the 2nd week of october.

[Zekewolf]

It'd be fine with me to lower the age for CCW to 18; however, you're going to run into folks like lilly who'll oppose such a move. I have yet to meet an l.e.o. who's as intelligent or shows better judgment than I when I was 18, or one of my sons at 18. As a matter of fact, most of the l.e.o.'s I've met were probably more dangerous than most of the non-l.e.o.'s that I've met.

Further, it'd politically be a huge mistake to tie lowering the CCW age to lowering the drinking age. These are two entirely different issues with dramatically different constituencies. I don't think there'll be much of a public sentiment to lower the CCW age to 18, but I'm one "older" shooter who'd be all for it.

[AndrewTB]

Zeke,
Almost all ive told this too have said it wont happen. Which makes me want to push even harder. Its very possible. Nobody has ever really had to guts to do it themselves. They automaticlly think they will get struck down. Im very different .

[Ignition]

to really get this off the ground are you looking at lowering the CCW age to 18 in your state.



or getting the supreme court to strike out part or all of the 68' GCA, dealing with handgun buying from a FFL at age 21?




one is a grassroots effort that will be hard because alot of ppl usually are content unless the issue effects them directly(ala age difference... they will just say... i had to wait... you can too, which is a wrong attitude)

the other deals with lots of money, a great lawyer... and willingness to pursue the court case and hopefully have the SCOTUS hear your case.




sadly alot of ppl in the pro-ccw world are very willing to give up a difference on the age in order to get a law passed. yes some things need to take baby steps... but again if it doesnt affect some ppl, then they care less about the limitations- instead of worrying about the principles at stake