Re Police Officer of the Year in Parade Magazine Fierce Gunbattle

FLA2760 · September 20, 2005, 11:32 PM

Hi Everyone
The Parade magazine in this past Sunday's paper featured an Orange County Fl. deputy (female) that was picked by the Fraternal Order of Police as Cop of the Year. I am sorry that I am not posting her name as the wife threw the Parade magazine out when cleaning. So, I will refer to her as deputy #1 and the other three deputys as 2,3, and 4 .
A woman was about to back out of her driveway in the family van to drive her two children to school. A car appeared out of nowhere and blocked her in. Two gunman charged the van one of them jumped in and drove the van back into the garage with the kids still inside. At some point the woman got out of the van and the frantic 911 call went out. Deputy #1 and her partner also a female (trainee) rolled up on the scene at the same time as deputys 3 and4. The hysterical mother was screaming save my babies. The one BG had fled into the house and the other BG in the van with the screaming kids started firing on the deputys from the inside of the van. Deputy #1 said I gotta get those kids and she charged into the gunfire and made her way to the driver side front of the van. The BG made it out of the sliding side door on the passenger side of the van all the while shooting at Deputy#1 as he advanced on her position. With the adrenaline dump deputy # 1 did not realize she had taken numerous rounds; she kept her Glock.45 barking.One of her rounds found its mark in the BG, I think a torso hit. He retreated a few steps and slumped down with his back against the garage wall and was still firing. Deputy # 1 was screaming for the kids to lay down on the van floor. She crept around the passenger side front of the van and engaged the BG with her last round. He fired back;his round tore into the shoulder of deputy #1s shooting hand. Immediatly her arm went numb and her now empty Glock.45 hit the garage floor. Deputy#1 said "I am not dying in here" and did a combat reload.Using her one good hand she put the magazine in while holding the Glock under her shoe. She disengaged the slide stop by running it against her gun belt. As soon as she did this BG #2 ( the guy who was in the house) came out firing on her. She got him TWICE IN THE HEAD with her weakhand as she was blacking out. Get this HE HAD TWO .45 SLUGS IN HIS HEAD AND HE STILL WAS ABLE TO RUN OUT OF THE GARAGE AND SHOOT DEPUTY # 4 IN THE SHOULDER! Wonder what he was on? Anyway Deputy #1 was shot something like nine times! It turns out that this was all drug related. Deputys found a large amount of cash and drugs inside the house. The kids were not hurt. If you have the parade magazine check it out and please excuse any errors or ommisions on my part as it is from memory, (remember the wife threw out the magazine) Anyway I thought it would be an interesting post. Two .45s in the head and still wired enough to shoot another deputy as he ran out of the garage! KUDOS for her! This all went down in like 50 SECONDS!

Steve

mete · September 21, 2005, 06:17 AM

Contrary to popular opinion being shot in the head is not a sure thing! Many have survived because the bullet glanced off the skull .Of course being high on drugs makes things more difficult too.The lesson here is ,with great credit due the deputy, don't just stop because you're hit. Keep shooting until it's over !!

Lion In Winter · September 21, 2005, 09:01 AM

Big Kudos to her trainers!(and her upbringing, she definitely is not a "can't we all get along person.) They taught her well and she paid attention!

308Enfield · September 21, 2005, 09:19 AM

Congratulations to an amazing officer, I hope she recovers and is able to return to duty.

2 .45s in the head and still coming? I don't doubt that it happened, but its certainly a good argument for people who tell me I've got too much gun carrying a .44 magnum out on the farm in case we run into any meth heads; it sounds like a 240 grain jacketed hollowpoint, if anything, may be too little. Anybody for moving the police to .454 Casull or .500 S&W magnum? (OK, the very last part was said with some sarcasm, but in all honesty, I don't want to mess with anything you can't drop with a .45.)

Baba Louie · September 21, 2005, 11:08 AM

http://www.officer.com/article/artic...&siteSection=1
Link to article FLA mentioned
http://officer.com/news/2005/copoty05.pdf
the .pdf file

dolanp · September 21, 2005, 11:56 AM

Why that just can't be true... we all know that if you shot someone with a forty-five they'd fly back ten feet and die twice.

Webleymkv · September 21, 2005, 12:16 PM

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Two .45s in the head and still wired enough to shoot another deputy as he ran out of the garage!

The only place that a person will simply drop dead instantly when they are shot is the brainstem. Even if you are hit in the temple you will at least convulse on the ground for a few seconds before expiring. A relative of mine is a Sheriff's deputy. He picked someone up one night and didn't manage to find the North American Arms Mini-Revolver concealed in the suspect's shoe. The guy attempted to shoot the officer but because he was handcuffed and forgot to move his head, shot himself in the temple. The bullet cut both optic nerves and blinded the man for life but he did live. The officer has unharmed (although rather shaken).

Harley Quinn · September 21, 2005, 12:33 PM

Again we have a story that has been related and put into the pile of misinformation supplied by the big shoot um with my 454...Ok, why is it we have so much of this?

All shots to the body do not kill, all shots to the head do not kill. Newspaper article.

I would sure like to see the report as written from the on scene coppers.

More then likely they were grazing shots, the 45 is known for that on harder objects. 9mm might not have been a grazer due to the different velocity. So many variables and so much misinformation it is really hard to define what is the truth and what is fiction.

Heck of a story though, tough lady. She is what legends are made of. I am glad she is getting on with her life.

Harley

Derius_T · September 21, 2005, 01:22 PM

All I have to say is that she's one tough cookie, with a heart like a lion, and is a true credit to her profession. (and to human beings in general)

**Capt Charlie** · September 21, 2005, 01:41 PM

Yep. The human body is tougher than it looks, and one-shot kills aren't common. The link below is video proof of that, but in this guy's case, it just wasn't his time to go.

http://www.filecabi.net/v/file/cameracrewshothead/wmv

FLA2760 · September 21, 2005, 02:44 PM

Hi Everyone
I neglected to mention in my post the article said that the Deputy is now back to work and has also recently got married. Good for her!
Steve

N.H. Yankee · September 23, 2005, 07:16 AM

I have learned by watching fear factor that the female is quite a bit more tougher than we give credit for. I do not believe they are the weaker sex, in most ways equal, only muscle mass is less in most cases.. I think that we have been programmed to see woman as weak, fragile and that they all wear pink and play with dolls. Woman have come out of their shell and have shown they can compete on most levels with men and in some areas excell over men. I think some times our ego's are threatened as we have been programmed that we must protect the feable helpless female.

Perhaps the mother instinct came into play and observing nature you never come between a mother and their offspring. I think that they made a outstanding choice in picking this brave officer who kept her cool where most would have panicked. I think she disgraced the officer who recently ran and deserted HIS partner who was being shotup. This female officer is not only a hero, but an example of what a real L.E.O. should be.

Sulaco2 · September 23, 2005, 01:54 PM

Great story and great combat cop. Strange Parade magazine ran the story they are an organization pro total confiscation of guns in the US. Except of course I suppose any gov goon....

September 21, 2005, 09:19 AM	#4
308Enfield Senior Member Join Date: August 3, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 239	Congratulations to an amazing officer, I hope she recovers and is able to return to duty. 2 .45s in the head and still coming? I don't doubt that it happened, but its certainly a good argument for people who tell me I've got too much gun carrying a .44 magnum out on the farm in case we run into any meth heads; it sounds like a 240 grain jacketed hollowpoint, if anything, may be too little. Anybody for moving the police to .454 Casull or .500 S&W magnum? (OK, the very last part was said with some sarcasm, but in all honesty, I don't want to mess with anything you can't drop with a .45.) __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato

September 21, 2005, 11:08 AM	#5
Baba Louie Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2001 Posts: 1,440	http://www.officer.com/article/artic...&siteSection=1 Link to article FLA mentioned http://officer.com/news/2005/copoty05.pdf the .pdf file __________________ Youth rebels, age conserves; between them, they advance. The Marines will cease to win battles the moment either camp achieves ascendancy. – Robert Leckie, Helmet for my Pillow

September 21, 2005, 12:33 PM	#8
Harley Quinn Junior member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: State of KALI Posts: 1,531	Grazing and no entry Id say Again we have a story that has been related and put into the pile of misinformation supplied by the big shoot um with my 454...Ok, why is it we have so much of this? All shots to the body do not kill, all shots to the head do not kill. Newspaper article. I would sure like to see the report as written from the on scene coppers. More then likely they were grazing shots, the 45 is known for that on harder objects. 9mm might not have been a grazer due to the different velocity. So many variables and so much misinformation it is really hard to define what is the truth and what is fiction. Heck of a story though, tough lady. She is what legends are made of. I am glad she is getting on with her life. Harley

September 21, 2005, 01:41 PM	#10
Capt Charlie Staff Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Steubenville, OH Posts: 4,302	Yep. The human body is tougher than it looks, and one-shot kills aren't common. The link below is video proof of that, but in this guy's case, it just wasn't his time to go. http://www.filecabi.net/v/file/cameracrewshothead/wmv __________________ TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does *your* post make *you?* I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie

September 21, 2005, 02:44 PM	#11
FLA2760 Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2005 Location: Hernando County, Florida Posts: 567	Re Police Officer Of The Year Hi Everyone I neglected to mention in my post the article said that the Deputy is now back to work and has also recently got married. Good for her! Steve

September 20, 2005, 11:32 PM	#1
FLA2760 Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2005 Location: Hernando County, Florida Posts: 567	Re Police Officer of the Year in Parade Magazine Fierce Gunbattle Hi Everyone The Parade magazine in this past Sunday's paper featured an Orange County Fl. deputy (female) that was picked by the Fraternal Order of Police as Cop of the Year. I am sorry that I am not posting her name as the wife threw the Parade magazine out when cleaning. So, I will refer to her as deputy #1 and the other three deputys as 2,3, and 4 . A woman was about to back out of her driveway in the family van to drive her two children to school. A car appeared out of nowhere and blocked her in. Two gunman charged the van one of them jumped in and drove the van back into the garage with the kids still inside. At some point the woman got out of the van and the frantic 911 call went out. Deputy #1 and her partner also a female (trainee) rolled up on the scene at the same time as deputys 3 and4. The hysterical mother was screaming save my babies. The one BG had fled into the house and the other BG in the van with the screaming kids started firing on the deputys from the inside of the van. Deputy #1 said I gotta get those kids and she charged into the gunfire and made her way to the driver side front of the van. The BG made it out of the sliding side door on the passenger side of the van all the while shooting at Deputy#1 as he advanced on her position. With the adrenaline dump deputy # 1 did not realize she had taken numerous rounds; she kept her Glock.45 barking.One of her rounds found its mark in the BG, I think a torso hit. He retreated a few steps and slumped down with his back against the garage wall and was still firing. Deputy # 1 was screaming for the kids to lay down on the van floor. She crept around the passenger side front of the van and engaged the BG with her last round. He fired back;his round tore into the shoulder of deputy #1s shooting hand. Immediatly her arm went numb and her now empty Glock.45 hit the garage floor. Deputy#1 said "I am not dying in here" and did a combat reload.Using her one good hand she put the magazine in while holding the Glock under her shoe. She disengaged the slide stop by running it against her gun belt. As soon as she did this BG #2 ( the guy who was in the house) came out firing on her. She got him TWICE IN THE HEAD with her weakhand as she was blacking out. Get this HE HAD TWO .45 SLUGS IN HIS HEAD AND HE STILL WAS ABLE TO RUN OUT OF THE GARAGE AND SHOOT DEPUTY # 4 IN THE SHOULDER! Wonder what he was on? Anyway Deputy #1 was shot something like nine times! It turns out that this was all drug related. Deputys found a large amount of cash and drugs inside the house. The kids were not hurt. If you have the parade magazine check it out and please excuse any errors or ommisions on my part as it is from memory, (remember the wife threw out the magazine) Anyway I thought it would be an interesting post. Two .45s in the head and still wired enough to shoot another deputy as he ran out of the garage! KUDOS for her! This all went down in like 50 SECONDS! Steve Last edited by FLA2760; September 21, 2005 at 12:12 AM.

September 21, 2005, 06:17 AM	#2
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 4,944	Contrary to popular opinion being shot in the head is not a sure thing! Many have survived because the bullet glanced off the skull .Of course being high on drugs makes things more difficult too.The lesson here is ,with great credit due the deputy, don't just stop because you're hit. Keep shooting until it's over !!

September 21, 2005, 09:01 AM	#3
Lion In Winter Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Posts: 67	Big Kudos to her trainers!(and her upbringing, she definitely is not a "can't we all get along person.) They taught her well and she paid attention!

September 21, 2005, 11:56 AM	#6
dolanp Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2005 Location: North Texas Posts: 371	Why that just can't be true... we all know that if you shot someone with a forty-five they'd fly back ten feet and die twice.

September 21, 2005, 01:22 PM	#9
Derius_T Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2004 Location: South West OHIO (boondocks) Posts: 1,337	All I have to say is that she's one tough cookie, with a heart like a lion, and is a true credit to her profession. (and to human beings in general)

September 23, 2005, 07:16 AM	#12
N.H. Yankee Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2004 Location: Rural N.H. Posts: 1,586	I have learned by watching fear factor that the female is quite a bit more tougher than we give credit for. I do not believe they are the weaker sex, in most ways equal, only muscle mass is less in most cases.. I think that we have been programmed to see woman as weak, fragile and that they all wear pink and play with dolls. Woman have come out of their shell and have shown they can compete on most levels with men and in some areas excell over men. I think some times our ego's are threatened as we have been programmed that we must protect the feable helpless female. Perhaps the mother instinct came into play and observing nature you never come between a mother and their offspring. I think that they made a outstanding choice in picking this brave officer who kept her cool where most would have panicked. I think she disgraced the officer who recently ran and deserted HIS partner who was being shotup. This female officer is not only a hero, but an example of what a real L.E.O. should be. __________________ The real danger to America is not abroad but within.. Having an open mind is a good thing, but not so open that your brains fall out! Save America, abort liberalism.

September 23, 2005, 01:54 PM	#13
Sulaco2 Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,239	Great story and great combat cop. Strange Parade magazine ran the story they are an organization pro total confiscation of guns in the US. Except of course I suppose any gov goon....