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Old September 12, 2005, 11:09 AM   #1
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Is .308 the same bullet as the 7.62x39?

Forgive the silly question, but I cannot seem to get a straight answer on this question...

I want a good all around caliber, a "reach out and touch someone" bolt action that will also fire a very common bullet, such as the .308.

If they're the same, why the two names in this caliber? Is it similar to the .223 and the 5.56 NATO?
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:14 AM   #2
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No they are not the same. Think of them both in there metric trems to see a clear difference:

7.62x51mm NATO (The 308)

and the Russian:

7.62x39mm

The case sizes are different plus the diameter of the bullets are also different the 308 is 0.308inches but the Russian 7.62x39mm is 0.310inchs in diameter.

So no both case and bullet diameter make them clearly different rounds.

I hope this helps

PS no question is silly or stupid if your unsure or dont know

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Old September 12, 2005, 11:18 AM   #3
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Thank you,
So, if I wanted to by a military style rifle that also adopts the .308, is there such a beast?
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:22 AM   #4
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There are several

The .308 (7.62 nato) was used in many semi auto "battle rifles" from teh 50's on. The M14 (civy M1A), H&K G3, FN FAL are the ones that stand out. Not sure about military bolt actions, but definately semi-autos.
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:25 AM   #5
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There are many.

The Israelis converted old Mauser K98k bolt rifles to .308. The Spanish CETME may also be .308. Current manufacture Springfield Armory MIA rifles are accurate and well thought of (they are based on the M14 design, I think.)
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:30 AM   #6
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So, if I'm clear, I could buy a .308 bolt action rifle and the HK G3 and the FN FAL, which are both great rifles, will also take the .308.

I'm trying to minimize the different types of ammo to buy, use the .308 due to surplus and reduced cost of buying in bult to feed two rifles, with the ability to find excellent bolt actions AND military style rifles that eat the same lead. Thanks.
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:35 AM   #7
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What about the Spanish 7.62x51 Mausers. Yes they use the 93 action but none seem to have blown up as far as I have heard. At $130, one is going to be my first buy with my C&R. Mauser overbuilt his rifles to be sure that they didn't blow up.
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:37 AM   #8
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Off the topic, but I've seen Yugo 8mm Mausers for $90 at Century International Arms. I own a Yugo 8mm Mauser (bought it for about $150 before I got my C&R) and it's outstandingly well built and accurate. I wouldn't hesitate using it for large game. My first C&R purchase will likely be a 2nd Yugo 8mm.
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:47 AM   #9
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Sorry for this question but I dont live in the US so I dont know what is a C&R may someone explain it to me I see it alot on the form and I finnally decided to ask

Thanks in advance for the reply.

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Old September 12, 2005, 11:54 AM   #10
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C&R = curio and relics.

A citizen able to buy and own guns in the U.S. can apply for a Federal license (that costs $30 total for 3 years) to be able to purchase guns that are over a certain age AND have some historic or collectors value to them, as determined by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF).

Typical guns would include guns from pre-WWI, WWI, WWII, some from the Korean War or the Vietnam War. There is a comprehensive list on the BATF website.

Typically, a citizen can only buy a gun from an individual or a dealer. The dealer obviously makes a profit and is required to run a background check, and in some states this requires a wait period.

The C&R license allows a person to "collect" but is not a dealer license, and allows the collector to purchase guns and have them shipped directly to his doorstep, cutting out the middle man and his profits, and allowing the collector to buy from a larger supply (the internet) that what his local dealers may have in stock. The savings can be significant for the low expense of the license. There are alot of C&R guns in existence that need homes and many of these guns have significant historical value and are also really terrific guns to own. Like I mentioned, I own a Yugo 8mm Mauser, which was unissued but identical to the same bolt action rifles carried by the majority of the Nazi infantry in WWII. It is a terrific and reliable and well built gun. One can regularly find SKS, AK47 and the like which are very popular for between $100-300+, whereas in the gun stores there is a large (sometimes 100 percent) markup on these rifles.
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Old September 12, 2005, 11:58 AM   #11
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C&R is a Curio and Relic license.

Some info:
http://www.jgsales.com/CNRinfo.html
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...fl03/index.asp

C&R List:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm

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Old September 12, 2005, 12:28 PM   #12
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Thanks for the replies

That seems intresting but I dont think we have something similar here. We just have "Possesion and Accusition License" in 2 flavors depending if you want to buy hand guns or not.

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Old September 12, 2005, 12:37 PM   #13
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Theres also the Ishapore Enfield 2A and 2A1, both of which are bolt action .308 military rifles and not that expensive.

There are dozens of civilian designed rifles in .308 out there too.
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Old September 12, 2005, 03:22 PM   #14
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You get some interesting variations in Commie 7.62 x 39mm...much is .310, some is .311 and a lot is .312. You strike the odd .309. With the magnificent piece of equipment that is the Mini 30 - - you need to experiment with ammo and see what shoots best. But , hey, every mini 30 is a potentual tack driver...
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Old September 13, 2005, 03:35 AM   #15
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Old September 13, 2005, 07:08 AM   #16
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Theres also the Ishapore Enfield 2A and 2A1, both of which are bolt action .308 military rifles and not that expensive.
+1 Old Enfields are great fun to shoot and also very solid rifles. I never hesitate to take mine out in rough terrain or bad weather as I know it will survive and function in pretty much anything (well, at least in TN, I don't know about hunting in a mid-west blizzard...).
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Old September 14, 2005, 08:08 AM   #17
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Bullet size question

The "308" is aa 30 caliber and is 308 in size.
The 762x39 is 311 in size.
The exception is if you have a Ruger. Ruger puts a 308 barrel on their 762x39 guns. They claim you can shoot either size ammo in their guns.
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Old September 14, 2005, 12:33 PM   #18
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You can also rebarrel an M1 Garand in .308 too.
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