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Old September 4, 2005, 03:37 PM   #1
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what handgun do FBI agents carry???

doing a little research for a writing project. do they carry beretta, glock, sig, H&K? 9mm, 357 sig, 40, 45?
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Old September 4, 2005, 03:46 PM   #2
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Glock. For tactical, swatty stuff the Springfield Armory .45 ACP. Some are still allowed to carry their old Sigs for old times sake, but rapidly phasing it out. Glock rules in the federal armory, I guess.
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Old September 4, 2005, 04:56 PM   #3
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Standard issue is the Glock 22 in .40.
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Old September 4, 2005, 04:58 PM   #4
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...up until the 80s... I believe the standard issue was the Colt Official Police revolver...
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Old September 4, 2005, 05:38 PM   #5
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Standard issue wheelguns in the 80's were blued S&W M-13s in .357 mag round butt 3 inch stoked with 38 +Ps 158 LHP. The Feebees haven't carried Colts in a very long time.
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Old September 4, 2005, 05:43 PM   #6
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I stand corrected....thought they went as long as the 80s...
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Old September 4, 2005, 06:15 PM   #7
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For many years in '40s, '50s and '60s, and perhaps beyond, a standard issue was N frame .38 S&Ws (.38 on a .44 Frame), usually loaded with 158 grain LWSCHPs in .38 Special +P. Also, SAs were -- and may still be -- given considerable individual latitude to carry personal weapons in lie of Bureau issue.
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Old September 4, 2005, 06:24 PM   #8
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No SA for general issue although FBI SWAT and HRT are issued a 1911 45acp.. Double/single action or Double action only (Glock) which is technically called Safe action for non-tactical agents.
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Old September 4, 2005, 08:52 PM   #9
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FBI SWAT and HRT used to carry Browning High Power 9mm pistols. FBI SWAT and HRT agents are currently issued both the Springfield Professional Model (PC9111 and PC9111LR) and a Glock 22. FBI HRT used to carry a Les Baer SRP on a Para Ordnance frame before adopting the SA Pro model as well. Special Agents have a choice between the Glock 22 or 23 and can have a Glock 27 as BUG. Before Glocks were adopted agents were issued the SIG Sauer P226 or P228 in 9mm. Special Agents are still allowed to carry their old issue SIGs and S&W 1076 10mm pistols.

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Old September 4, 2005, 09:07 PM   #10
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Issued in the 60s and 70s was 4" Model 10 with pencil barrel. Agents could purchase something else if they wanted to carry it instead. Most common seen was 2.5" and 4" Model 19s. Some would carry either Colt Dick Specials or S&W J frames. There would be the occasional agent sporting a 3.5" Model 27 but usually not for long as they'd dump the 27 and go with something lighter.
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Old September 4, 2005, 11:30 PM   #11
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Special Agents have a choice between the Glock 22 or 23 and can have a Glock 27 as BUG.
My friend that just graduated from Quantico was given no choice - G22 only. The 27 she'll have to purchase herself, and I don't believe BUGs are allowed - off duty gun is more like it.
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Old September 5, 2005, 01:15 AM   #12
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My friend that just graduated from Quantico was given no choice - G22 only. The 27 she'll have to purchase herself, and I don't believe BUGs are allowed - off duty gun is more like it.
That's too bad. For some people the G23 can be more comfortable for smaller hands than the G22. I got some of my info from a FBI SWAT member who sometimes came to the range. And the G22 is an awesome scary accurate handgun...in HIS hands.
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Old September 5, 2005, 03:00 AM   #13
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The only different between the 2nd gen Full and compact frames is 1/2" of gripping space..

3rd gens have different finger spacer things that are annoying as hell.
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Old September 5, 2005, 06:15 AM   #14
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They carry the same handgun they were issued during their acadmy (sic) training. ie some may have SIGs, Glock 22/23, SW, ect.
HRT (whom ive met) carry Springfield .45s and HK MP5s in 10mm
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Old September 5, 2005, 10:28 AM   #15
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just curious, if anybody knows that is, why do swat and hrt agents get the springfield, but agents get glock 40? is it simply because the 1911 weighs more and they dont want the agents getting weighed down? personally I would rather have the 1911 for accuracy, 45 for lethality.
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Old September 5, 2005, 10:40 AM   #16
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just curious, if anybody knows that is, why do swat and hrt agents get the springfield, but agents get glock 40? is it simply because the 1911 weighs more and they dont want the agents getting weighed down? personally I would rather have the 1911 for accuracy, 45 for lethality.
1. They can equip four or five agents with Glocks for the price of one Springer Pro

2. Single action guns generally aren't accepted as general issue weapons in law enforcement circles.
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Old September 5, 2005, 01:50 PM   #17
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I have a question:
How long did they carry the S&W 10mm pistol?. I belive the 10mm was the gun replaced the model 13 S&W .357 revolver in the FBI, was it?.


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Old September 5, 2005, 02:25 PM   #18
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Anibal . . .

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"I believe the 10mm was the gun replaced the model 13 S&W .357 revolver in the FBI, was it?"
No, the 10mm was the relatively short-lived replacement for the FBI’s Smith 9x19mm semiautomatic, which was terminated as a result of the Miami firefight debacle. This eventually led to the .40 S&W’s introduction, since top-end .40 S&W ballistics were approximately similar to the diminished 10mm ballistics the Bureau finally accepted, due to SA complaints re the size and recoil of their Smith 10mm autoloaders.
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Old September 5, 2005, 11:09 PM   #19
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FWIW, a while back I attended the FBI academy. While there, I had the opportunity to ask some very high ranking brass why HRT and FBI swat units were allowed single action autos and the field agents were not. They very patiently explained that swat and HRT agents had to engage targets "quickly and accurately". Apparently field agents do not have the need to shoot quickly or accurately. My close friend recently retired from the FBI. He was issued a 4" Model 10 in the mid 60"s. He was one of the first group of agents trained for the FBI field swat units. He turned in his model 10 and was issued a 4 inch round butt NIS Smith Model 19 with a yellow front sight insert when he completed his swat training. It was a nifty revolver but they made him turn it in when he retired. In the early or mid 80's he was issued a Smith 459 for swat use. The HRT was up and running about this time and were carrying customized Browning High Powers. After the Miami shoot out, they took back his 459 and issued a Sig 226 for swat use. They issued a 20 round magazine to carry in the gun. He usually carried the Model 19 for daily use and only used the Sig for swat missions and raids.
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Old September 6, 2005, 10:24 AM   #20
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I know two Agents, both carry 228s.........
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Old September 6, 2005, 11:49 AM   #21
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Interesting tidbit about the 10mm. The FBI did not even consider overpenetration when they adopted it because statistics showed that 80% or more of the shots fired by agents missed. Nice to know about the skilled marksmen working for us huh.
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Old September 6, 2005, 03:25 PM   #22
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http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine.../DGAAAFED.html

click here and scroll down to FBI. Gives a summary of the weapons they carried from the past up to date.

Old movies and TV programs like The FBI Story with James Stewart and Vera Miles always show them carrying Colt Official Police or Colt Detective Special (such as Catch Me If You Can with Tom Hanks). More recent TV and movies like the X Files show them carrying SIG Saurs P226.
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Old September 6, 2005, 03:59 PM   #23
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I thought the deputies of the US Marshall Service were issued the Glock 23???

Is this information good or is it based on TV shows and movies?
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Old September 6, 2005, 06:47 PM   #24
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90% of FBI agents are attorneys and CPA's. they are investigators setting in offices protected by secretaries and security guards. Their Swat and HRT teams are a different matter. Every time the FBI tried to get powerful weapons the sissy agents cried about the weight or recoil of the weapons and were not able to qualify with them. US Marshals are street people and a much better judge of weapons. Police departments across the nation had been using speed loaders for years before they were approved for the FBI.
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Old September 6, 2005, 07:56 PM   #25
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Shelby,
Where did you get your "90%" figure?
The rest of your post I think we all know where you got that.
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