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Old August 9, 2005, 04:01 PM   #1
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Can someone tell me what all I need to do to my new gun before use? I have never owned a gun before, so I don't even know how to clean it. Thanks.
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Old August 9, 2005, 05:11 PM   #2
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It's generally recommended to unload it first then swab out the barrel with some Hoppes 9 and swab it with a clean patch to get any factory 'shavings' or 'filings' out of it...

I've heard that said usually when I purchase a gun anywhere....

Other than that be safe, and keep an eye on muzzle control. And never assume a gun is unloaded, always treat it as if it were loaded.
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Old August 9, 2005, 07:23 PM   #3
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First step is to sit down with the gun and the owner's manual.

Read the manual cover to cover, then using the manual, disassemble the gun per the instructions.

Buy a shotgun cleaning rod kit. These will have an aluminum rod, a loop tip, a bore brush, patches, and often a wool mop.

Buy a bottle of bore solvent and whatever you want to use for a lube.

Use the rod the wipe the bore clean of all factory grease and dirt.

Use a clean cloth to wipe everything else off.
Use a patch or a piece of clean cloth with a few drops of gun lube to wipe everything to apply a THIN coat of gun lube to everything.

Look everything over to check for major burrs, or anything that doesn't seem to be normal.

If you're not sure about something, contact whoever you bought it from.

Reassemble per the owner's manual and check the operation of the gun's action and safety to be sure everything is working properly.

TO CLEAN AFTER SHOOTING:.
Again disassemble the gun per the manual.
Screw the bronze bore brush on the rod, and use an eyedropper or a hobby paint-transfer bulb to wet the brush with a bore solvent.
(Don't dip the brush or patches in the solvent bottle, this ruins it).

Run the brush all the way through the barrel, from chamber to the muzzle. Pull back through, and repeat 15 to 20 times, keeping the brush wet with solvent.
(NEVER, EVER push a brush down ANY gun's barrel part way, then try to pull it back out. This ruins the brush, and can get the brush stuck in the barrel. Always push it ALL the way through and out the end, before pulling it back).

Remove the brush, and as soon as possible, wash it off with hot soapy water to prevent the solvent from eating it up.

Put the loop tip on the rod, and pull a patch half way through the loop.
Wet the patch soaking wet with solvent and push through the bore.
Let the barrel soak while you wipe off everything fouling may have contacted, like the face of the bolt, and the inside of the receiver.

When the rest of the gun is cleaned and wiped off with a slightly oily patch, wet another patch with solvent and run it down the bore.

Let soak another 20 minutes or so, then run 1 or 2 clean, dry patches down the bore.

Hold the barrel up to a good light and examine the bore for any signs of fouling still present.
This will look like dark streaks in the barrel.

If you suspect the bore is still fouled, use the brush and solvent again to scrub the bore another 15 to 20 passes.
Wipe with a dry patch and check again, until the bore is clean.

Put a few drops of lube on a clean patch and run it thought the bore a few passes, then run a clean patch down the bore.

This will put a thin coat of lube inside the barrel to prevent rust.

Reassemble, and you're done.

When cleaning the bore, pay attention to getting the chamber properly cleaned also. Plastic can build up in the chamber and cause problems.

If you have a barrel with a screw-in choke, follow the manual to remove the choke and clean it and the threads inside the barrel.
Failing to clean the choke can cause it to rust in place.
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Old August 9, 2005, 07:50 PM   #4
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I'm a new firearm owner myself; just picked up an 870 Express the other day. The first thing I wanted to do when I got home was disassemble and clean it like everyone recommends. Right now I'm stuck on step 5 of the manual "Take hold of the barrel ahead of the magazine tube and pull the barrel from the receiver." The problem is the barrel won't budge. I mean every time I try I end up breaking a sweat and having to catch my breath. Is it just being stubborn because it's never been opened up before? Would it help if I added some oil to where the barrel meets the receiver?
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Old August 9, 2005, 08:15 PM   #5
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My mossberg is tough cause it kinda locks into the receiver... just unscrew the magazine tube cap (where the sling connects) and then PULL! There is no real trick to it other than maybe trying to twist it a little while pulling.

My mossberg takes some 'brute' force to pull out and to push back in, but it makes me feel better about it being a tight fit.

And try to hold where the ejector port is and pull from that and the front part of the barrel ahead of the fore-grip.
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Old August 9, 2005, 08:50 PM   #6
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OK, I don't have the gun quite yet, but what does it mean to disassemble it? That doesn't mean extensively taking it apart, does it...? I'm hoping that means just taking a few things apart/off.

I'm not quite sure what to use for lube. Can you throw out some good ideas?

Thanks for your help, Dfariswheel
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Old August 9, 2005, 10:14 PM   #7
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dfarriswheel,

Good post. A question, though - why does it ruin a brush to dip it in the solvent?

Thanks.
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Old August 9, 2005, 10:34 PM   #8
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Steve....

As far as I knew when I read it, he was talking about it ruining the solvent. He didn't specify which he was talking about ruining, so I can see the confusion... read it with my view and see what you think:

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Originally Posted by Dfariswheel
(Don't dip the brush or patches in the solvent bottle, this ruins it).
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Old August 9, 2005, 10:35 PM   #9
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I'm not dfarriswheel.

1) Solvents can eat the metal used to make brushes, hence the reason to clean and rinse brushes after cleaning.

2) Dipping a dirty brush into solvents contaiminates the solvent.

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At the top of the forum we have some Threads Stickied, I suggest you peruse these and the Search function. Besides Mr. D, Use Dave Mc, and Erick - Former and current Mods for the Shotgun forum, Denny, Correia are other great folks to pay attention to as well.

Aw hell too many folks to mention...I'm in trouble - again - as usual.

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Old August 10, 2005, 12:44 AM   #10
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In order:
BeachHead:

To remove the barrel, OPEN THE ACTION by moving the pump handle back about half way.
Unscrew and remove the magazine cap, then just wiggle and pull the barrel forward.
If the action is closed, the extractor can jam the barrel and make it hard to remove.

Also keep it open during reassembly, or the extractor can be damaged by the barrel.

dhphillips:

This means to "field strip" the gun. The Owner's manual will tell you how to do this, and on the Remington 870, it's EASY.
Basically, following the directions, you remove the barrel, remove the trigger guard assembly, and remove the bolt assembly.
Every so often, you should also disassemble the magazine tube for a good cleaning and to prevent rust.
This really is easy to do, just follow the manual.

There is a world of oils and lubricants out there, and everybody has their favorites.
A good one that most everybody agree is at or near the top is CLP Breakfree. This is an excellent lube AND is one of the best rust proofers around.

Another good one is Rem-Oil, especially for cleaning and lubing the trigger assembly.
You can buy both at Wal-Mart and most any gun store.
I prefer the CLP Breakfree in a bottle since this allows more control than a spray can.

SteveW13:

Most powder solvents are designed to remove copper bullet jacket material left in the barrel.
Since cleaning brushes are made of phosphor bronze, pretty much what bullet jackets are made of, the solvent attacks and dissolves the brush too.

This is why you should buy cleaning brushes in bulk. They don't last long, even when rinsed off, and they quickly get to the point where they don't fit tightly in the bore and don't clean properly.

Dipping the brush into the solvent jar dirties the solvent, and the copper from the brush will ruin the copper-dissolving abilities of the solvent.

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I'm doin' fine. Thanks for the nice words.
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Old August 10, 2005, 01:26 AM   #11
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Dfariswheel, thanks for the tip however I did have the pump pulled halfway back. That's why I was so stumped that I felt compelled to post. Maybe it wasn't directly on the 50 yd line. Also, I have yet to try wiggling the barrel. That thing thing sure is in there pretty snugly.
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Old August 10, 2005, 08:34 AM   #12
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Thanks again, Dfariswheel. Glad the Remington 870 is easy
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Old August 10, 2005, 10:14 AM   #13
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Thanks, all! This is a great forum!

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Old August 10, 2005, 10:18 AM   #14
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Is anyone a member over at Shotgunworld? It's full of stuff about just shotguns and it has one thing I like a lot better than this one... there's constantly members online so things move much faster. Ex: quicker replies, etc.

But this is a great forum, too
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Old August 10, 2005, 08:29 PM   #15
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Beachead:
I'm not sure what the problem is with your Remington.

With the action half way open, and the magazine cap off, there's NOTHING holding the barrel in.

In fact, on most guns just tipping the barrel down will allow it to just slide off onto the floor.

I suggest there's something WRONG here, so I'd take it to a gun shop and ask for someone to take a look at it.
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Old August 10, 2005, 09:55 PM   #16
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Old August 11, 2005, 12:02 AM   #17
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Haha, sm, but have you actually given them a chance? I found this for and the other on the same day, signed up the same day, and made my first post on both about a Spartan 20ga. Sure, I did get quantity... 2 pages worth of posts, but they were also quality... the first poster answered my question(s) nicely. Friendly conversation, but maybe I just enjoy a faster paced one since I'm always online
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Old August 11, 2005, 01:51 AM   #18
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Dfariswheel,

When you made your big post earlier, I copied into Word and saved it. I would like to know two things:

1) May I distribute as I see fit on other forums - ShotgunWorld Forums, for example.
2) If so, what can I put on it to make sure people know it was yours? Your name and email address?

Thanks...
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Old August 11, 2005, 01:32 PM   #19
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Feel free to post it.
I don't care about attribution, but if you want, just put dfariswheel and a TFL link.
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Old August 11, 2005, 07:19 PM   #20
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dhphillips,
Yes I have visited them folks.

Still I find myself using the Search Function a LOT here at TFL, often times I am not logged in. I have spent hours upon hours reading the posts of members such as dfarriswheel, Gabe McMillian, Dave Mc, Rich, Long Path, Erik, 45V50 Gary, Lawdog( files), Jim March, Art...reading, searching and learning.

I do the same thing at THR...

I started at TFL, these folks are family.

To be quite honest Rich and Staff Raised the Bar for ALL internet Forums...if one wants to see how a forum should be set up and run - TFL is where one learns from.

I am plankowner at THR. THR sprung from TFL when TFL closed for a bit. Many of the members belong to both.

dfarriswheel and I also share some interests and history way before I ever became involved in forums.

I finally reached Reprobate status at THR...so that means I am kinda set in my ways and too hard-headed to change.

The Internet is wonderful tool - just like a shotgun , learn the basics - keep practicing the basics, basics never change - the user just get better at practicing them is all.
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