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Old June 28, 2005, 08:30 AM   #1
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Winchester 1887 Reproductions

HI ALL

I was watching this documentry on Shotguns recently and it showed A lever action 12 Gauge Shotgun.
I THINK it was called a winchester 1887
. That looked like one awesome bit of machinery .
It would sure be quicker than a pump action.

Does anyone know is there any reproductions of this gun .If not is there any other 12 gauge shotguns around the same note.

I think this was the same gun used on the mummy 2 by Brenden Fraiser .

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Old June 28, 2005, 09:32 AM   #2
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There were two variations of this shotgun; the 1887 and the 1901. IIRC the 1887 was in 10 gauge and 12 gauge while the 1901 was a product-improved version available in 12 gauge only. This shotgun was indeed used in The Mummy movies and also Terminator 2.
A couple of companies have attempted to bring reproductions to market but so far none have made it, TriStar and Lithgow Arsenal being the two groups I can think of offhand. The TriStars were heavy. I handled several at a couple of SHOT Shows a few years ago. TriStar kept saying they were almost ready to import but they never really did import in any numbers. Can't recall the reasoning but I think it was political in nature (TriStar is Chinese). The Lithgow Arsenal gun was a manufacturing problem and/or a technical/political problem IIRC. They had do do some reverse-engineering then they were having problems getting permits or whatever down in Australia where Lithgow was located. I may be wrong on both counts as I'm going on memory here. If I am wrong, someone hopefully will set the record straight.
There are also several lever-action single shot shotguns from that era also.
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Old June 28, 2005, 10:27 AM   #3
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While I think that the lever action SG is very cool, I hardly think that it would be faster than a pump.
No offense.
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Old June 28, 2005, 12:19 PM   #4
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Why wouldn,t it be faster 9mm mike ? IF you got used to working the lever id say someone could dump lead down ,equal to someone who was used to working a pump gun . Id like to see how many people would convert if there was a couple of up to date 12 gauge lever actions on the market .

Also IF i had a pump gun And a BG rushed me id be worried about bending the guide rail under stress {hey it has happened }

I suppose thats my opinion and i cant speak for everyone because i never even fired a pump action before .

But is it common to bend those guide rails under stress .?
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Old June 28, 2005, 01:56 PM   #5
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The only lever gun I have is my '56 336 Marlin. It is fast to shoot but my 870's are faster, plus I can keep my finger on (or near) the trigger as I cycle the action, plus I can easily maintain a good cheek-weld as I cycle the action.
Granted I do not shoot the 336 as much but I am much more accurate (I always get a chuckle when I say "accurate" in a SG post! ) with my 870's at speed.
I have never heard of an 870, bending action bars during firing. Mine all have some pretty high mileage on them with no action bar problems but there are plenty of folks on this board with probably 100x more rounds than mine so we'll wait for them to chime in.
I do not mean any offense but if you've not fired a pump, you should try one (preferrably an 870!) before you rush to judge their speed compared to a lever-action SG.
I can shoot my favorite almost as fast as my 1100 semi with little perceive motion. Moving a lever takes, in my opinion, much more arm, hand, wrist movement but like I said, I've only my 336 with which to compare.
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PS. I do like the 1887 ever since the Mummy movies came out!
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Old June 28, 2005, 04:01 PM   #6
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Thanks for the great reply 9mm mike

Your right , I should really hold off judgement of pumps untill i try one .

With your 870 you can nearly go as fast as a semi ? Wow you must be a good shooter .

Going that fast are you getting acurate shots ?

I always had the notion that with pump guns when your looking down the barell and you cock the gun it really disrupts where you were aiming the gun .Is this true ?

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Old June 28, 2005, 08:54 PM   #7
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Bob,

With most any shotgun, there's this little matter of recoil. Touching off a round is more likely to disrupt your gun-target line than running the action on a pump. I am sure that would be the case with a lever gun too, though I have never shot a lever action repeating shotgun.

Shot-to-shot control in rapid fire with a shotgun is as much an issue of recoil as action type IMO, it is as easy to shoot a pump well as an autoloader for the most part depending on what the shooter is accustomed to running. IOW, no matter what kind of repeater you are shooting, you will have to recover from recoil before you can deliver another controlled shot no matter how the next round is cycled into the chamber.

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Old June 28, 2005, 09:43 PM   #8
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Thanks Bob. There are plenty of guys here who are way better shooters than me though. Also, my 1100 semi is not what I'd call an amazingly fast firing gun.
It is certainly slower then any of my semi-auto rifles or at least it seems slower.
I remember the first time I shot that 1100 it seemed like the gun was still moving around in my hands long after the clay had broken and the empty had hit the ground. It was like holding a big wiggling snake.
My bride's 1100 in 20 ga. is a faster (or seems to be) cycling gun than my 12 ga.
The pumps seem more, I don't know, solid maybe? You shoot and pump, it locks up solid and you're ready to go again. The recoil from the first round actually seems to help with the pumping motion so by the time you've re-aquired, the gun is ready to be fired again.
I sure seem to typing seem a whole lot!
Anyhoo, you should really get out and crank some off from an 870. If you're in PA, you can go with me.

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Old June 29, 2005, 09:10 AM   #9
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The only lever guns I've seen that shoot as fast or faster than a pump are the "tricked out" lever guns used in CAS. Most of those are modified for a short stroke and smoothed up considerably but are in pistol calibers and don't have near the recoil of a shotgun round.
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