The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Tactics and Training

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 12, 2005, 10:47 PM   #1
rmagill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 29, 2005
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 142
Vehicular Escape Routes

I drive a truck mostly in a city setting. I normally try to leave more than enough room for me to pull around the vehicle in front of me if necessary. The problem lies in what is around the vehicle in front of me. I have noticed that it is not uncommon for me to be in the rigth lane, a vehilce in front of me in the right lane, and a vehicle next to that vehicle in the left lane making going to the left next to impossible. Occasionally there will also be a vehilce directly to my left. My remaining option is to either drive up onto the curb (normally low enough that this would not be a problem) or onto someone's lawn. My question is.... how many of you end up finding an escape route on a sidewalk (yes, it is empty) or someone's lawn? Or do you end up with only the option of simply driving forwards and backwards until either the BG leaves or another use of force is necssary? Thanks.
rmagill is offline  
Old June 12, 2005, 11:08 PM   #2
powderedonuts
Junior member
 
Join Date: June 6, 2005
Posts: 108
Looks like you have no other option.....

Mount a 50 cal in the back and hire a Puerto Rican to man it at all times..................
powderedonuts is offline  
Old June 12, 2005, 11:27 PM   #3
Overman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 9, 2005
Location: Colorado (not Denver or Boulder)
Posts: 186
Try the Grand Theft Auto videogames. You'll look at sidewalks in a whole new way.
Overman is offline  
Old June 12, 2005, 11:36 PM   #4
Ares45
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2, 2005
Posts: 211
If it's time to go then it's time to go. Forget about the pretty grass or that no parking sign and park bench I'm getting ready to plow. I'm leaving.
Ares45 is offline  
Old June 12, 2005, 11:49 PM   #5
pamick
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 23, 2005
Posts: 126
"Truck". What kind of truck? What are you transporting that would make you a target? Just a note, if I find you driving over MY lawn, you WILL face a very ugly reaction.
pamick is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 06:01 AM   #6
GUNSMOKE45441
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2004
Posts: 129
If someones life is in danger, at that moment lawns would be the least of my worries.
GUNSMOKE45441 is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 06:05 AM   #7
BerettaCougar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 7, 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,226
Slam into the car infront of you, to give yourslef the stuck aspect, draw your weapon and unload on the threat.
BerettaCougar is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 09:00 AM   #8
Mikkel
Member
 
Join Date: January 6, 2005
Location: Norway
Posts: 81
Hmmmmmm...... a bit paranoid are we?
Mikkel is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 10:28 AM   #9
Arc Angel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 17, 2004
Posts: 284
Generally speaking you should always leave enough room in front of your vehicle to be able to see the tires of the vehicle in front of you. Then, if you need to play, 'bumper tag' put it in low gear and ram forward!

The right lane isn't necessarily the best spot to be in when you're stopped. A right-handed gun can pull up on your left-side; and he'll have a clean easy shot at your head - with much of the noise, all of the muzzle flash, and all of the brass remaining inside of his own vehicle.

If you think you're being, 'tagged' it's often better to pull left than to pull right. (This, also, allows most people to employ a weapon more effectively.) 'One-on-one' vehicular gunfighting isn't especially difficult to respond to; however, when you've got a two man team in the other vehicle with the second guy in the back seat, well, now your work is cut out for you, and real, 'survival art' is required.

I've only known one guy who would, positively, have known the correct response to this situation; many years ago when I asked him this question his terse reply was, 'Get out of your vehicle as fast as possible, put something between you and them, and do what you got to do!'

Sounded good to me, then, and nothing since has caused me to change my mind.
Arc Angel is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 10:53 AM   #10
625
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 3, 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 858
I too am interested in what type of truck you drive that you feel uneasy.
I had a sweet IROC Camaro back in the days that these cars were some of the most sought out cars by thieves. I was always a little paranoid about being car-jacked. I too left plenty of room between me and the vehicle in front of me. Ended up selling the car because I couldn't afford it and almost lost my license because of speeding tickets.
__________________
I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.

Ronald Reagan
625 is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 11:16 AM   #11
buzz_knox
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 1999
Location: Knoxville, in the Free State of Tennesse
Posts: 4,191
Quote:
Hmmmmmm...... a bit paranoid are we?
Given the number of car jackings in the US, no, not at all.
buzz_knox is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 11:31 AM   #12
rmagill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 29, 2005
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 142
Its a Chevy S10... I metioned it was a truck to show that driving up on a sidewalk/lawn is an option opposed to me being more of a target. And no, I am not paranoid... things happen when you least expect them, so I make it a habit of leaving extra space just in case something happens, not that I am anticipating it. Kinda like the Boy Scouts... always prepaired.

Thanks for the good responses so far.
rmagill is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 01:58 PM   #13
CajunBass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 6, 2005
Location: Chancellorsville, Virginia
Posts: 3,332
Delivery job

I used to drive an S-10 doing courier work.

The only thing I ever worried about blocking me in was a meter maid, and a tow truck.
__________________
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 (NKJV)
CajunBass is online now  
Old June 13, 2005, 02:13 PM   #14
Nanuk
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 2, 2005
Location: Where the deer and the antelope roam.
Posts: 1,673
When I drive my truck its a '72 3/4 ton Powerwagon, little cars are no problem.
Nanuk is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 02:50 PM   #15
wayneinFL
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 18, 2004
Posts: 1,932
I don't think this is paranoid at all.

On 4 or 6 lane roads with stoplights I don't worry about it too much. Usually all I see are panhandlers. Ok as long as you keep the windows rolled up and doors locked. SometimesI'll eventhrowthem a dollar or two. Unless it's 4 a.m. in Riviera Beach and the guy comes in the car. That's an aggressive panhandler. I ran a stoplight that night.

The little side streets are a little different. I take it with a grain of salt, and realize when people come running out to my vehicle on the side streets they are probably just trying to sell me drugs, but I don't wait around to see what they want. I just leave.

If they were to jump out in front of me, yes, I will drive on the curb, sidewalk, grass, whatever.
wayneinFL is offline  
Old June 13, 2005, 07:24 PM   #16
Trip20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 21, 2005
Location: WI
Posts: 2,181
I purposely do not put week killer on my lawn so that it will seem more inviting to someone trying to escape a BG.

Please, demolish my daisies, 'reck my rhododendron, beat up my black-eyed susans, and by all means - crash through my chrysanthemums.

In the words of O'Reilly, "I'm [We're] lookin' out for you."
Trip20 is offline  
Old June 14, 2005, 09:21 AM   #17
Duxman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 16, 2005
Location: VA
Posts: 1,294
Gardening by Truck

As a homeowner - if a civilian were in a carjacking situation - he can wreck my lawn NP. As long as he does not run over my dog.

I agree with the other posts, whether its hitting the car in front of me or gettting into the sidewalk, or someone's lawn, I would be outta there if someone tried to jack me. If I am threatened and cornered, then no choice - defend myself.
Duxman is offline  
Old June 14, 2005, 03:25 PM   #18
Rickstir
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 7, 2002
Location: Close on the Elk Fork of the Salt River
Posts: 166
When I leave work I am on high alert because it is gang banger territory, including their favorite car wash / rap concert spot. I don't pull up close to anything. After 2 miles or so, as I head out into the country I settle in a little. I wait until the next town (6 miles) to gas up or get a soft drink for the rest of my 50 mile commute. A couple of years ago a guy was gunned down for pulling into the wrong stall at that car wash.
__________________
When you were born, you were crying and everyone around you was smiling. Live your life so at the
end, you're the one who is smiling and everyone around you is crying.

Last edited by Rickstir; June 14, 2005 at 04:12 PM.
Rickstir is offline  
Old June 14, 2005, 05:58 PM   #19
Bob F.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 20, 2004
Location: Southeastern WV (left out "north")
Posts: 195
Don't guess Mickey watches the news. Pretty safe around here. No car jackings, no home invasions. BG's here know better. Occassional murder, usually drug related. But I still leave room on the road, out of habit/conditioning, whatever. And I carry everywhere I legally can.

Stay safe.
Bob
Bob F. is offline  
Old June 14, 2005, 06:04 PM   #20
jonathon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 14, 2005
Location: Washougal, Washington. YEHAW!
Posts: 1,872
If only having a loaded gun in the car was an option here... got an old beat up Ithaca M37 cut down to 18 1/2" that would work real nice as a car gun...

That would be your best bet, if its legal.. just have a short shotgun(18 1/2" or greater), with the stock if possible(aiming is hard with the pistol grips).

EDIT

Plenty of spots in that S10 to stash a shotgun in easy reach
__________________
Romans 12:21

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good


More CZ M52 info than you can shake a stick at!
jonathon is offline  
Old June 15, 2005, 09:42 AM   #21
Mikkel
Member
 
Join Date: January 6, 2005
Location: Norway
Posts: 81
Well, we have like one "carjack" a year in Norway, but i understand you guys in the US. I guess we walk around thinkin that i wont happen to me or over here no matter what the statistics say about our country.
Mikkel is offline  
Old June 15, 2005, 11:41 AM   #22
pamick
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 23, 2005
Posts: 126
Situational awareness

How might one address random madness?
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05166/521639.stm
pamick is offline  
Old June 15, 2005, 12:10 PM   #23
Trip20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 21, 2005
Location: WI
Posts: 2,181
Regarding the article posted by pamick:

It seems we're more often searching for what "provolked" a BG to do something horrible... evident by the following quotes from the article. It's just part of that mentallity that we need to "understand why" when more often than not, there's no good "reason" for such acts of violence. Maybe I'm interrpreting this wrong..... I dunno.

Quote:
Demitras wasn't driving a flashy car -- it was a 15-year-old Honda Civic with 140,000 miles and radiator problems, Firetto said. He wore a modest gold necklace with a St. Christopher medallion and two other pendants.
Quote:
"There was absolutely no provocation. There was no verbal, no gestures."
Quote:
His mother, Jackie Demitras-Essel of the West End, laughed when asked if he might have been carrying a wad of cash out in the open. He had five $1 bills in his wallet, she said.
Obviously they're looking for motive as well... but sometimes it seems the tone of such comments are looking for a reason why the BG did what he did, so when found they can slap themselves on the forehead and say "Ah, now it all makes sense!"

What this idiot did was sick, I don't want to understand why per se. I just want the facts, and swift justice based on those facts. Whether or not the victim was wearing an entire suit made from $100 bills is irrelevent.
Trip20 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2013 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.12051 seconds with 7 queries