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Old May 20, 2005, 08:49 PM   #1
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Equipment Selection Scenario

Here's how it is - you're going to be leaving for Iraq in six weeks, to do a tour as a technical contractor. Although this is a strictly civilian, non-combat job, you will be required to be armed.

The contract requires you to provide one 5.56mm AR-15 carbine, six magazines, and one .45ACP pistol. Ammunition and other consumables will be provided in-theater.

Weapon-wise, what would you take? Assume an unlimited budget, but whatever you take, you have to be able to get in 4-6 weeks.

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Old May 20, 2005, 09:12 PM   #2
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full auto M16, and an SA 1911. and a bullet proof vest.
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Old May 20, 2005, 11:11 PM   #3
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a standard class III vest.. an AKSU-74..... a good pair of danners... Russian LBV... and either a 3" GP-100 or a 3" 686..

I think the danners, the vest, and the sidearm would be the most important part.. gotta protect your feet, and your chest, and most likely, you'll only be defending yourself, not actually fighting(Unless your security..)
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Old May 21, 2005, 12:08 AM   #4
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A Bushmaster or Rock River Arms carbine and a USP45.
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Old May 21, 2005, 01:12 AM   #5
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Body armor of the best kind.

Weapon wise i'd go with the HK G36k or G36c, both offer the 5.56 round with 30 round mags, but are in more compact gunswith a folding stock. Id also carry a HK Mark 23 pistol. Hey price wasn't a factor here.

Crap i just realized the weapons have to be legal. Count my G36k and c out. Then I guess i'd say AR-10A2 (that's .308). I'd wanna give myself a little more power. Hey, It's my gun. I'm staying with the Mark 23 for the pistol though.
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Old May 21, 2005, 05:16 AM   #6
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Okay, a couple of things. First, the contract calls specifically for an AR-15 carbine in 5.56mm. No other weapon platform or caliber. Second, as Payne said, the weapons all have to be legal. No NFA stuff.

The story behind this question is two acquaintances of mine are going to Iraq, same circumstances, and they asked me to help them get their gear sorted out.

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Old May 21, 2005, 07:52 AM   #7
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Armalite, Bushmaster, or Rock River AR-15 clone.

Springfield Armory Operator or Kimber TLE
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Old May 21, 2005, 02:49 PM   #8
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Ok, heres my new rifle. I hope this one's acceptable

http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalo...a2_carbine.htm
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Old May 21, 2005, 04:43 PM   #9
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Gps

In addition to the weapon's and body armor, at handheld GPS wouldn't be a bad idea, if the contractor doesn't provide them. In an emergency, grid coordinates could save their lives.
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Old May 21, 2005, 04:57 PM   #10
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Just make sure it's a 20 incher and get some of those composite metal rounds if you can. Depending on where your buddies plan to be, a holo sight oughta fit the bill.
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Old May 21, 2005, 05:43 PM   #11
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Basic 20" AR-15, maybe with flat top receiver for optic sights, but with A2 sights as well, and a Springfield Armory Professional M1911A1.
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Old May 21, 2005, 06:47 PM   #12
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Bushmaster for AR-15. I prefer iron sights (no battery issues). Spare parts for same. As for a 45..a stainles Ruger 97 for absolute reliability (there just isn't that much access to armourers or gunsmiths).
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Old May 22, 2005, 12:21 AM   #13
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Hi --

Since you are friends with a few guys heaidng over there a few things to think about...

AR choice --- I'll leave that to those who know better than I, however take an extra set of pins / springs/ small parts. If yours don't break someone elses might.

Handgun --- Take a Glock 21 and 30, extra mags, few extra parts and take down punch. Given the weight, parts interchangability, reliability and mag interchange issues I think Glock has an edge over others. Even if you chose a diffirent pistol as primary having a G30 that can be hidden elsewhere or always on would be a plus.

Body armor --- You don't say what the mission is, however 2 might be a better idea, the most mobile level 3 you can find and then a level 4 for when you are less mobile or a sitting duck. Honestly I don't know what the limits on baggage are in what you mention but there are enough places you can buy lexan or other ballistic sheets that I would look into taking some reasonable sized pices of that as well --- At liest a piece to sit on, one for the door, one for your back and a piece to put on the floor of a vehicle.

I would also take at minimum some extended first aid stuff --- look in the tactical paramedic or military medic manual for recomendations regarding wound dressings, fluids, IV's etc, and there are some things that are outside the supply chanels (Oxyglobin) as well that I would try and get if I could. Learning the basics of how to use this stuff and seeing that others do as well will go a long way --- you don't have to be a medic but a few basic skills and knowlage will go a long way. See fi your locla fire / rescue folks can / will set you up or give a little training / info / practice.

Good fixed blade knife and folder (Chris Reeve would be my pick) +/- leather man and hide away knife.

A small locator becon as well.
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Old May 24, 2005, 06:28 PM   #14
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My vote would go to an AR180 or Galil 5.56mm. Much more reliable than your standard AR in the desert.

As for a .45? I am not really a fan, but if I must: HK USP in .45

I would mount a sawed off shotgun (if legal) under the AR180 or Galil for "up close and personal...." Just in case.

L3 Body armor with ceramic padding, 2 satelite cell phones, GPS, and a desert survival kit. Dont forget signal flares and Nightvision googles.
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Old May 25, 2005, 07:46 AM   #15
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Colt AR-15 H Bar
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Old June 1, 2005, 11:35 AM   #16
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Bushmaster, Colt or RRA 16 inch flattop, as light a barrel (ie Bushmaster has a superlightweight SP1 configuration that is very nice) as you dare, with an Aimpoint or EO-TECH (aa bat version) mounted on a Larue or some other type of QD zero repeatable mount with a quality BUIS ie GGG, Troy, ARMS etc. Maybe even pack a CQB optic referenced above and a 3.5-10 Leupold (mil dots would be best but not absolutely required given the effective range of 5.56 anyway) on a QD zero repeatable mount as well


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Old June 1, 2005, 12:35 PM   #17
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the weapons all have to be legal. No NFA stuff.
Are you implying that NFA weapons are not legal?
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Old June 1, 2005, 01:01 PM   #18
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As far as boots go...as soon as I could I had my wife send me a pair of Danners and I ordered a pair of Bellville Tan Jungle Style Boots..chuncked the GI issue ones in the trash.....

also take a suede brush, cleaner, and suede waterproofer...whenever it would sprinkle everybody elses boots would get wet mine would stay dry for a while.
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