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Old May 18, 2005, 11:09 AM   #76
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I bet you Mr. Jim Beam could knock you back and he doesn't have to use a handgun!
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Old May 18, 2005, 11:13 AM   #77
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JohnKSa,

I agree, the old saw about "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear" still has a lot of truth to it. By the way, the "expert" on History channel was talking about the Colt Peacemaker too, I wonder if its the same guy you read the quote from?
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Old May 18, 2005, 11:53 AM   #78
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Probably not, it's been repeated and written by so many people, so many times, that it's "common knowledge". False knowledge, but common, nonetheless.
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Old May 18, 2005, 12:00 PM   #79
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I bet you Mr. Jim Beam could knock you back and he doesn't have to use a handgun!
Isn't it the other way around? I know I can knock back some Jim Beam
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Old May 18, 2005, 12:34 PM   #80
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Hey, watching the History Channel last night about Gunslingers and some cowboy action guy/ actor said the 45 Peacemake would knock you down!

It has to be true - as it is on TV!
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Old May 18, 2005, 06:17 PM   #81
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Of course a tiny bullet is incapable of physically moving a 200 lb pile of meat, but when it strikes a living person I would think it could cause trauma to various nerves/organs which could cause a involuntary or voluntary jerk, loss of balance, etc. The film of the JFK assassination shows him violently jerking backward after one of the shots, it wasn't from the physical force of the bullet, but his body's response to it.
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Old May 19, 2005, 07:09 AM   #82
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A head is a small part of the body’s mass. Shoot a 1/2 gallon milk jug with a high powered rifle and watch all the movement. This moves from a strict momentum problem back into a problem involving energy being transferred from the bullet to the water. Brain tissue behaves very similarly to water when struck by bullets..
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Old May 19, 2005, 10:06 AM   #83
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A head is a small part of the body’s mass. Shoot a 1/2 gallon milk jug with a high powered rifle and watch all the movement. This moves from a strict momentum problem back into a problem involving energy being transferred from the bullet to the water. Brain tissue behaves very similarly to water when struck by bullets..
That's excessive force!!! How dare you suggest we treat a valueable "member of the community" in that way?!!!


I was told in CHL class that courts don't usually like head shots. They feel it's excessive force
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Old May 19, 2005, 11:07 AM   #84
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Anyone who still believes that a handgun bullet is capapble of knocking down a man just by the force of the bullet impact can shoot something much lighter than a man and see what takes place. Shoot something like a section of a log -large enough for the bullet not to pass through so all the energy is contained. Does not have to be that large or heavy to prevent total bullet penetration from most convetional handguns. Set it up on a table or any surface where the entire base can rest flat. Shoot it and see how far the log moves. If a 45 or any other handgun can truly topple over a man just by the force of the bullet strike - the small log should be thrown quite some distance.
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Old May 19, 2005, 11:14 AM   #85
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bullet is capapble of knocking down a man just by the force of the bullet impact can shoot something much lighter than a man and see what takes place.
Tried that with a 12 gauge shotguns slug on a squirell. Couldn't judge if it moved back.....it dissapeared. (just kidding. I never shot a pesky rat like squirell like that....yet)
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Old May 19, 2005, 12:26 PM   #86
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if you go back to the original post and the question of why the army from a 38 to a 45, you have to look at the original situation.

The US Military Had just faced the 7X57 mausers of the spanish in the War with Spain in both cuba and in the philipines, realizing the superiority of the new rifles, work was to proceed on modernising the weapons of the US. The Krag Rifle was adopted and the .38 Colt was introduced, replacing the SAA colt and the other various 45 cal revolvers. As soon as the spanish had been forced out of the Philipines, a war of insurgency broke out among the philipine people against the US in there attempts to earn independence and self autonomy. In facing the philipino tribesmen, the US military were often facing an opponent who was drugged up, psyched up and in many cases in a nearly crazed state who would attack and fight until he was fully broken down, The Army discovered that the 38 colt did not have enough punch to stop the fight quickly enough. The M1889/1995 revolvers were not known as reliable guns to begin with, and firing a 148 grain LRN at about 750FPS It was not a reliable fight stopper. There were troops in the Philipines still had the Colt SAA as the issued sidearm and these units found that one 250 LRN at 875 to 900 FPS was a huge improvement over a a couple of 148's at 750. With this improvement came confidence in the rounds ability to stop a charging Moro, and with the confidence came more care in aiming and thus even higher success. So a call was made to the army HG for more .45's which were called "man stoppers". As many of the Colt SAA's in Gov't stocks were older and needed to be retired, a call went out for a new pistol to fire a .45 cal 230 to 250 grain slug at or about 835 FPS. JMB took up the challenge and modified a model 1900 auto pistol to hold a new round developed by himself and winchester. Called the Model 1905, the new autoloader and round were not accepted and further testing and competition between UMC and winchester finally ended up with the round and the pistol we know as the 45 ACP and the 1911 Colt pistol. if you wan tot do more look here or google the moro war.

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/background.htm
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