Neat idea for 5.7x28

Stiletto · April 22, 2005, 12:17 AM

So...if it's so lightweight and low-recoil, why doesn't someone make a larger, assault carbine-sized variant with an amped-up fire rate (25 or 30 rounds/sec or so), kind of like an American-180 with a more powerful round?

Certainly seems like an ideal weapon for really close-range urban warfare.

max popenker · April 22, 2005, 04:41 AM

well, a 1/2 scale copy of a quad M2HB mount in 5.7x28 will be just what you need.

grey_pilgrim · April 22, 2005, 06:18 PM

I'm not sure what you are describing would be worth it, given that the p90 fufills most of those. (At least thats how I see it)

Stiletto · April 22, 2005, 06:54 PM

I mean using it as a primary weapon for urban infantry to use in place of rifle-caliber carbines. Something the weight of an M4 firing 5.7 would have a very high controllable fire rate, and could feed from a huge magazine (100 rounds? more?) to boot without incurring a massive weight penalty.

I dunno, just an idea.

fal308 · April 23, 2005, 09:53 AM

The 5.7 was designed as a close range package (in conjunction w/ the P90). It doesn't have the lethal reach of a MBR or even an assault rifle. The M4 can even outdistance it.
Another problem would be the logistics of supplying two distinct firing platforms and the associated training of said separate platforms.

Stiletto · April 23, 2005, 11:37 AM

True, that. Just an idea.

They could always mix weapons, give part of the squad full-length M-16s and the CQB guys mini-MGs.

Asmodeous · April 23, 2005, 07:55 PM

Oh my god! You've reinvented the PPsh!

You'd be amazed how similar the 5.7x28 is to the 7.62x25 in aveall close range ballistics.

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/ppsh.html

Stiletto · April 23, 2005, 08:15 PM

Heh.

Less kick to the SS190, though, by A LOT. You can't put an entire magazine on a silhouette target in one long burst with a PPSh; you can with a P90.

April 22, 2005, 12:17 AM	#1
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	Neat idea for 5.7x28 So...if it's so lightweight and low-recoil, why doesn't someone make a larger, assault carbine-sized variant with an amped-up fire rate (25 or 30 rounds/sec or so), kind of like an American-180 with a more powerful round? Certainly seems like an ideal weapon for really close-range urban warfare.

April 22, 2005, 04:41 AM	#2
max popenker Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2002 Posts: 130	well, a 1/2 scale copy of a quad M2HB mount in 5.7x28 will be just what you need. __________________ Signed: Maxim Popenker Modern Firearms website

April 22, 2005, 06:18 PM	#3
grey_pilgrim Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2004 Location: PA Posts: 330	I'm not sure what you are describing would be worth it, given that the p90 fufills most of those. (At least thats how I see it) __________________ Cheers, Dave

April 23, 2005, 11:37 AM	#6
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	^^^ True, that. Just an idea. They could always mix weapons, give part of the squad full-length M-16s and the CQB guys mini-MGs.

April 23, 2005, 08:15 PM	#8
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	^^^ Heh. Less kick to the SS190, though, by A LOT. You can't put an entire magazine on a silhouette target in one long burst with a PPSh; you can with a P90.

April 22, 2005, 06:54 PM	#4
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	I mean using it as a primary weapon for urban infantry to use in place of rifle-caliber carbines. Something the weight of an M4 firing 5.7 would have a very high controllable fire rate, and could feed from a huge magazine (100 rounds? more?) to boot without incurring a massive weight penalty. I dunno, just an idea.

April 23, 2005, 09:53 AM	#5
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,989	The 5.7 was designed as a close range package (in conjunction w/ the P90). It doesn't have the lethal reach of a MBR or even an assault rifle. The M4 can even outdistance it. Another problem would be the logistics of supplying two distinct firing platforms and the associated training of said separate platforms.

April 23, 2005, 07:55 PM	#7
Asmodeous Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2002 Posts: 114	Oh my god! You've reinvented the PPsh! You'd be amazed how similar the 5.7x28 is to the 7.62x25 in aveall close range ballistics. http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/ppsh.html