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Old April 5, 2005, 08:56 AM   #1
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Shotgun-12ga-blackpowder-slug type-best reloading Practice

Hello,

Yes I'm new to this Forum. Although I read a lot of stuff.

My question.

I have a winchester 1893. 12g - 2 5/8 chamber - blackpowder pump shotgun

I want to shoot, an all brass cartridge, blackpowder with a slug. For nearby accuracy 20-50 yards. I want to shoot without plastic wads.


First: Which SLUG (which mould) should I use????

-LEE (with hollow base)
-Lyman sabbot
-Lyman
-other ????? (terminator?? rapine)


Second: What is the best practice in Filling an all brass cartridge.
What wads, and do these slugs fit in an allbrass shell without plastic wads?



Third: Does anyone have experience with this and with different loads???


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Old April 5, 2005, 09:56 AM   #2
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I got started in reloading with black powder 12 gauge for a damascus twist shotgun before shotcups were common. You're going to run into a little trouble getting card wads for those brass shells. I understand they need 11 gauge wads because of the thinner walls. Try BPI and Olde Western Scrounger for 11 gauge over powder wads. You might wind up having to make a circle punch to cut your own OP wads. Book covers work well for this. If filler wads are a problem, hardwood sawdust mixed with about 10% mineral oil works. Just make up a dipper that throws enough sawdust to be compressed pretty good when your slug is seated. 60 grains of Fg is a reasonable charge.

Your best bet for a slug is a simple round ball the diameter of your choke. Dixie Gun Works will make you a mould to your specs for about $30. There's Brit feller who makes nicer ones http://www.jt-bullet-moulds.co.uk/moulds.html for $35. The RB is in period, the easiest to get to shoot well out to about 50 yards, and the cheapest. You can keep leading down and help keep the ball in place by pouring a little melted beeswax on top of each ball after the shell is loaded.

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Old April 5, 2005, 03:31 PM   #3
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thanks leftoverdj

Well, so the sabot or forrester Lyman slug are no good or will not work?

I heard I was running in to problems with the Wads?

Aren't there thin brass shells?
Aren't old shells thin ?

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Old April 5, 2005, 04:01 PM   #4
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Right, the brass shells are thinner and need wider wads if you won't use a plastic shotcup. A commercial 3/4" Arch punch should work, but I don't have any brass shells around. That's about .020 wider than standard 12 gauge for plastic hulls.

The Lee slugs are sized to fit inside a shotcup and would just rattle down the bore if shot nekkid. The Lyman Forster type is also undersized and never worked for me until I had driving bands cut in my mould to get it up to bore diameter.

I've shot a lot of RBs and they work very well when fitted to the choke. They don't tumble; they don't deform; and they don't get wads stuck up inside. The only reason for the switch to slugs was the danger of trying to shot a .730 RB through a .690 full choke and the inaccuracy of a .690 RB shot out of a .730 cylinder bore. Since you can measure your choke and order a mould to match, and since your shells are so distinctive that they won't get shot in the wrong gun, you can use the RB.

Check on the CAS boards. Those are the folks with the brass case expertise.
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Old April 6, 2005, 03:47 AM   #5
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so I place this topic in the wrong dicussion?
Can I change this?
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Old April 6, 2005, 05:52 AM   #6
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