The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Hunt

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 21, 1999, 01:02 AM   #1
deanf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 5, 1999
Location: N47º 12’ x W122º 10'
Posts: 1,598
I've been trying to find Winchester .308 Silvertip 180 grain loads (the regular kind in the red & white box) since last summer. No one has them. I've heard rumor the load has been discontinued. Anybody know about this? The last box I bought was a closeout sale at Wall-Mart, which may lend credence to the rumor.

I've e-mailed Winchester, they haven't answered.

------------------
“The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals. ... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.” -Alexander Addison, 1789
deanf is offline  
Old August 21, 1999, 01:25 AM   #2
Mal H
Staff
 
Join Date: March 20, 1999
Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia
Posts: 14,513
deanf - I don't think Winchester has discontinued the .308 180 ST's. They are listed in the Aug/Sept Natchez sale flyer ( www.natchezss.com ) and in the Graf & Sons current catalog ( www.grafs.com ). You don't mention which caliber you're looking for, but I assume it is either .308 Win or 30-06 and both are listed as available.
Mal H is offline  
Old August 21, 1999, 04:32 PM   #3
deanf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 5, 1999
Location: N47º 12’ x W122º 10'
Posts: 1,598
Thanks for the answer. It's the .308 Win that I need. I guess I'll have to mail order, 'cause none of the store in a 50 mile radius have it.
deanf is offline  
Old August 22, 1999, 07:13 PM   #4
Rob Pincus
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 9, 1998
Location: Hotels
Posts: 3,677
FWIW, I've had excellent luck with the .308 Win. 168 gr Ballistic Silver Tip on whitetail. You might consider it as an option for the future.
Rob Pincus is offline  
Old August 23, 1999, 01:07 PM   #5
Paul B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 28, 1999
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2,634
Deanf. I went to the Winchester web site, and the .308 Win. 180 gr. Silvertip was conspicuous by it's absence. I notice that graf's has some other rounds that I know the big W has discontinued. They've dropped about 6 powders too, including WMR which they haven't had out for too long.
I shoot .358 Win., 7x57, use .458 Win. Mag brass to form a wildcat, and the big W has dropped all of them. I think I'll just change to Remington and Hodgden. To hell with Winchester.
Paul B.
Paul B. is online now  
Old August 23, 1999, 10:54 PM   #6
Mal H
Staff
 
Join Date: March 20, 1999
Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia
Posts: 14,513
Paul B. - Are you sure? I had gone to the Winchester site before looking for giving the info for the commercial dealers. I found the 180 gr .308 Win Silvertips X3083 were there. We must be looking at different pages on their site. Here is where I found them: www.winchester.com/products/main.cfm
I selected .308 Win and the 180 ST's were listed.
Mal H is offline  
Old August 24, 1999, 02:52 PM   #7
Paul B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 28, 1999
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2,634
Mal. I see that. It was not oln the page where I looked. Oh well. Confusion reigns. In my case it is a steady downpour.
I know the Big W has dropped quite a bit of stuff. What ticks me off is that it is stuff I use. To hell with the customers, only the dollar counts.
Paul B.
Paul B. is online now  
Old September 5, 1999, 06:49 PM   #8
Paul B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 28, 1999
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2,634
On page 44, of GUN WORLD MAGAZINE, Oct. 1999, it sez and I quote."The Silvertips are on Winchesters discontinued list, so they will disappear as a component when current supply runs out."
I have a Rem. 700 in 30-06 that just loves 180 gr. ST's. Average groups run 3/8's inch for 3 shots off the bench in factory ammo.
Let's see. The big "W" in all its wisdom has dropped about 6 cartridges, 5 powders for reloading, and now the Silvertip bullet. Of the rounds they dropped, I shoot 3. Of the powders, I shoot 1. When I shoot factory ammo I shoot Silvertips. Fortunatly, I can make .358's from .308's. Remington and FFederal still load 7x57 Mauser and .458 Win. (I use those to make up a wildcat.) WMR powder makes my .300 Win. Mag think it's a Weatherby. I found 12 pounds at a gun show, so I'm good for a while there but I'll have to find a replacement.
I'm beginning to wonder if Winchester (Olin) is trying to get out of the civilian shooting market altogether? Too bad. I really liked their ball powders.
To answer the question, has the Winchester .308 Silvertip been discontinued? Yup! It sure has. I think I'll miss that bullet. I liked it a lot.
Paul B.
Paul B. is online now  
Old September 12, 1999, 03:26 PM   #9
Paul B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 28, 1999
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2,634
Deanf. I found 5 boxes of .308 Win. Silvertips ant Wal Mart. They're in a silver colored box now. Do as I did. Get them while they last.
Paul B.
Paul B. is online now  
Old September 13, 1999, 05:12 PM   #10
david_m_curry
Member
 
Join Date: August 5, 1999
Posts: 55
Paul B.,

Are you sure that WMR was discontinued? I was under the impression that WAP was discontinued, but not WMR.

Cheers,
David Curry
david_m_curry is offline  
Old September 15, 1999, 02:16 PM   #11
Paul B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 28, 1999
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2,634
David. The latest Graf catalog had a bunch of the big "W"'s discontinued powders. WMR was one on the list. It does wonders in the .300 Win. Mag. with 200 gr. Speer bullets. How does 0.5 inch groups from a strictly stock, untuned push feed Model 70 sound?
Seems to me, the bean counters at "W" don't want to sell us much anymore. I'm sure Remington and federal will appreciate the business.
Paul B.
Paul B. is online now  
Old February 22, 2009, 03:25 AM   #12
Nash
Junior Member
 
Join Date: February 18, 2009
Posts: 3
I just purchased a stock of old reloading supplies. As it turns out, this included a fair supply of Winchester Silvertips in various calibers/weights. For giggles, I put them on GB. Feel free to check them out...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Sel...sp?User=883050
Nash is offline  
Old February 23, 2009, 06:11 PM   #13
guntotin_fool
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2004
Posts: 1,446
paying fifty cents or more apeice for outdated bullet technology is beyond me.
guntotin_fool is offline  
Old February 24, 2009, 09:28 AM   #14
Wild Bill Bucks
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 2005
Location: Southeastern Oklahoma, Next door to Sasquatch
Posts: 1,264
I reload my own ammunition. I shoot the "Combined Technologies" Lubalox coated silver tips, in my .308 in the 150 grain, and have had no problem with finding them. They are a Nosler/Winchester bullet, that is about as fast and accurate, as anything else I have used. Trajectory is great, with very little fouling left in the barrel.
They are a little expensive, but I will continue to use them as long as I can afford them. I don't think I have ever shot a round that is as "Bang Flop" deadly.
Most of my hunting is done on Deer, Hogs,Varmints, so I have no need for anything heavier than the 150's.
Wild Bill Bucks is offline  
Old February 24, 2009, 04:54 PM   #15
kingudaroad
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 11, 2005
Location: austin
Posts: 735
Isn't this bullet a Nosler ballistic tip coated black and made by Nosler for Winchester?

Sorry, I think I confused these for the ballistic silvertips.
kingudaroad is offline  
Old March 5, 2009, 08:39 AM   #16
Jack O'Conner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 11, 2005
Location: Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,481
Back in the early 1970's Winchester offered many bullet weights for .308 under their SUPER X line.

110 gr - fair accuracy but hits with explosive force

125 gr - flat shooting and very accurate

200 gr - fair accuracy but jacket too thick for deer sized game; narrow wound channel

Sadly, all these loaded cartridges were abandoned from the line by 1981.

Jack
__________________
Fire up the grill! Deer hunting IS NOT catch and release.
Jack O'Conner is offline  
Old March 6, 2009, 09:57 PM   #17
T. O'Heir
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,257
They're gone as components, but not as loaded ammo. The 180's are listed under their Super-X brand. The 168's under Supreme.
"...200 gr - fair accuracy but jacket too thick for deer sized game..." Shot a ground hog with a 220 grain Silvertip, long ago. It blew the entire offside away.
"...wonder if Winchester (Olin) is trying to..." Ownership changes sent Winchester Powders to Hodgdon. Olinis focusing on factory ammo and defense contracts. They've been out of the firearm business since 1981.
__________________
Spelling and grammar count!
T. O'Heir is offline  
Old March 9, 2009, 06:32 PM   #18
Shaun_300
Member
 
Join Date: February 16, 2009
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 67
MY dad used to use that cartridge all the time, swore by them! He hasn't been able to find any for years now. He's switched to Winchester Supreme Ballistic Tip 168gr and has also had great success with them.
Shaun_300 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.09627 seconds with 7 queries