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Old March 15, 2005, 10:10 PM   #26
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w4klr, just curious. Do you routinely talk on your cellphone while driving a car? There are times where talking on a cellphone is very dangerous. My personal opinion is cellphone usage while driving should be banned. To me, this falls into the same category as not using seatbelts should be (and is) illegal. I'm all for not resticting personal liberties, but where do we draw the line? There are probably those out there who think they should have the right to drink a half gallon of Jack Daniels and drive home. I disagree.

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Old March 16, 2005, 03:54 AM   #27
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Old March 16, 2005, 04:10 AM   #28
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As far as my range goes, i can never hear my cellphone going off, and as there is always someone there who is alternating between his .44 magnum and his model 500, i can barely even hear my puny little .357.
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Old March 16, 2005, 10:04 AM   #29
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Do you routinely talk on your cellphone while driving a car? There are times where talking on a cellphone is very dangerous. My personal opinion is cellphone usage while driving should be banned. To me, this falls into the same category as not using seatbelts should be (and is) illegal. I'm all for not resticting personal liberties, but where do we draw the line? There are probably those out there who think they should have the right to drink a half gallon of Jack Daniels and drive home. I disagree.
Do you also think radios/cd players and passangers should be banned while driving a car as well? All can be even more dangerous then celphones because they take your eyes off the road in addition to your attention. I mean, while we are getting rid of all of the distractions.

Note, last time I checked the top 10 causes of accidents, celphone usage was indeed on the list; at number 6. The radio was high above celphones.
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Old March 16, 2005, 10:07 AM   #30
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No.....because none of the things you mention takes one of your hands off the steering wheel. Unless your passenger happens to be a pretty girl.

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Old March 16, 2005, 10:17 AM   #31
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Your radio doesn't require you taking your hands off the steering wheel? I'd love to see how you change CDs

And regardless, ****ing with the radio was still a higher risk then Celphones. If we are getting the risks out of the car, why are you worried about the lower risk items?
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Old March 16, 2005, 10:43 AM   #32
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Do you keep your hand on the radio or focus all your attention on changing a CD for 30 minutes straight? I saw a driver one day in the car ahead of me stay on the same cellphone call during a 30 minute trip across town. She almost rearended the car in front of her three times when interstate traffic came to a sudden stop. This would be one ban I could live with.

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Old March 16, 2005, 10:49 AM   #33
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Cell phones in vehicles in motion in Washington DC are required to be hands free.

I get a lot more annoyed at the range by the weenies who take other peoples brass. I limit my time using 38 super comp for just this reason. One guy had his mother running around grabing every shell she could get her hands on. I nicely asked for mine out of the bunch she had collected and was greeted with a snarl of "How can you tell?".
A range operator returned the brass and threw the group out.
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Old March 16, 2005, 10:54 AM   #34
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brickeyee, that would be a good compromise. Those "ear buds" work pretty well.

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Old March 16, 2005, 01:56 PM   #35
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I saw a driver one day in the car ahead of me stay on the same cellphone call during a 30 minute trip across town. She almost rearended the car in front of her three times when interstate traffic came to a sudden stop.
Stopping generally doesn't require your hands. A hands free wouldn't help here. This is why I see the cell phone banning as stupid. Ignoring how unenforcible it is, it doesn't solve the problem. People still aren't going to pay attention to the road and their driving. Fix the real problem instead, that being that people are bad drivers.
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Old March 16, 2005, 02:01 PM   #36
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I'll have to agree with you that people, in general, are bad drivers.

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Old March 16, 2005, 04:37 PM   #37
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As far as cell phones go, where does my right for silence start, and your right to communicate on a phone end?
I know of a few places: Movies, Church, Burials, you know, places like that .

What gets me is that when people are yelling into their phones, it can and is very annoying. If they spoke normal, most of the times you can't hear what they are saying. And what really gets me is when the person that you can hear is talking, and they are talking about what they are going to do that night.... IN BED!!!!! . I don't really what to hear that stuff :barf: .

To me, it's a respect thing. When a person got a phone call (before cells), they would say, "Please excuse me" and then pick up the phone. The guest would politly busy themselves with looking over the books on the shelves while the host or person on the phone would speak in a lower voice. I know, that's really old fashioned(sp).

As for driving and all the distractions, if we really want to get technical then the government is causing the biggest one of all. The speed limit. I don't always have to change a CD, a station, or fiddle with anything but I do need to keep an eye on my speed, it's the law you know. Me personally, I don't change my station on my radio, I have it set on what I wish, I don't change out CD's while driving (actually, this would be really bad... my changer is in the back but even if it was a single, I wouldn't change out the CD unless I was stopped), I don't eat, drink while driving and I don't use the cell phone, hands free or not. I will look at the incoming number and if I need to take the call, I pull over or call back when I am stopped.

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Old March 16, 2005, 04:51 PM   #38
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when i am at the range, as long as no one is pointing a gun in an unsafe direction ...

i could give two s*** what they are doing
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Old March 16, 2005, 06:06 PM   #39
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w4klr, just curious. Do you routinely talk on your cellphone while driving a car? There are times where talking on a cellphone is very dangerous. My personal opinion is cellphone usage while driving should be banned. To me, this falls into the same category as not using seatbelts should be (and is) illegal. I'm all for not resticting personal liberties, but where do we draw the line? There are probably those out there who think they should have the right to drink a half gallon of Jack Daniels and drive home. I disagree.
I talk on my cell phone from the minute I back out of the garage till when I get to the office, I have one of those cute little earbuds that keep my hands on the wheel

Respect is a courtesy, not a right. And I hardly think talking on cell phones at the range can hardly equate to drinking Jack in the car.
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Old March 16, 2005, 07:30 PM   #40
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Respect is a courtesy, not a right. And I hardly think talking on cell phones at the range can hardly equate to drinking Jack in the car
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I agree! Respect must also be earned. This may be a little off subject depending whether or not we are discussing courtesy only when it comes to cell phones. I was shooting trap today and the shooter in my squad to my immediate left was using an automatic shotgun, without a shell catcher.

I kept getting hit with hulls. one on the side of my cap. 3 in the shoulder and 3 more below my shoulder. Didn't hurt, just distracting.

He was probably older than me (if that's possible) and a little scruffy in appearance. No way was I going to say anything to him. I've always been a fairly aggressive person, but I've learned there are times when a person should just suck it up, and not get all bent out of shape over cell phone calls or shotgun hulls while shooting with others. If you can't handle the distraction, go out in the middle of no-where and shoot at a tree.

I also don't agree with government regulation of cell phone use in automobiles (I don't care how many people get rear-ended). Or mandatory seat belt and motorcycle helmet laws. I don't want or need a lefty politician taking care of me, and then making phoney excuses for enacting laws that infringe on my rights.

So there!
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Old March 16, 2005, 07:38 PM   #41
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Howdy,
I would like to start off by stating "I do not get off on impeding on the rights of others". So if the range does not have a no cell phone policy then it is an annoance to me and I would not push the issue any further. However equally worth stating is : " there is a time and a place for everything". The range is a place to improve your marksmanship skills pure and simple. I understand that there are people who work on call and if it is an important/business call I don't have a problem with it.
My issue is rudeness pure and simple. To yell on a phone while people are sighting in is rude !! I appreciate the fact that there are those whom have tunnel vision and can block out everything else but the target, I'm not one of them. If a guy I don't know is pacing behind me while I'm holding a firearm in my hands it definately poses a distraction.
There is a reason why people don't talk while someone is teeing off in golf or serving during tennis or volleyball, the gun range deserves that same consideration.
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Old March 16, 2005, 07:46 PM   #42
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Guys, guys, don't get me wrong. In no way am I advocating any laws against cell phones or when or where they are used. I do the things I do because I do respect my fellow human beings. Maybe that's a stupid thing for me to do but that is the way I was raised.

I don't care if you are annoying me as you're yelling/speaking into your phone, just don't get annoyed when I start making comments in the background that I know the person on the other end can hear . (j/k all, don't beat me up for that comment ).

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Old March 16, 2005, 08:10 PM   #43
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"I also don't agree with government regulation of cell phone use in automobiles (I don't care how many people get rear-ended). Or mandatory seat belt and motorcycle helmet laws. I don't want or need a lefty politician taking care of me, and then making phoney excuses for enacting laws that infringe on my rights."

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Old March 16, 2005, 09:09 PM   #44
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Amen GB!
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Old March 16, 2005, 11:25 PM   #45
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Lotta amen's around here. So we don't like seat belts either, eh? Fine.....let's bag them too. Problem is, you "non" seat belt wearers now need to devise a way to personally eat your pro rata share of the jacked up auto insurance premiums we seat belt wearers are going to have to help pay to cover your additional personal injury claims when you consistently get your brains knocked out by doing something stupid. Stupid, as in not wearing seat belts. I love personal freedom.....but when your quest for "absolute personal freedom" costs everyone else $$$'s.....we gotta talk.

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Old March 17, 2005, 12:00 AM   #46
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Isn't it sort of hard to talk when you are supposed to be wearing ear protection?

If it's an emergency, you can take it outside. If you just want to take the call, stepping out should not be a problem. A quick "I'll call you back" is also appropriate.

I don't see the problem with using one, as I'd think that loud BANG! BOOM! noises would be MORE irratating, but, like I said, what about ear protection?
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Old March 17, 2005, 12:52 AM   #47
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UFO:

A> I wear seat belts anyway, and I wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle anyway -- not because of the law, but because I think it is wise. I don't think that the government needs to be involved in forcing people to be wise.

B> Your argument assumes that the taxpaying public would be held financially liable for people engaging in foolish activities. I deny this. Actually, I recognize that is the current case, but it shouldn't be. That is actually a socialist/collectivist policy, and I oppose it. I think that people should be held financially responsible for their own choices in life. It should be a matter between the individual and their insurance company. Yes, I object to paying for other's stupidity, just like you do. But I don't see where the government should be coerceing that money from me. Your solution is to forbid the activity, like how Mommy and your teacher forbade you from running with sissors. Mine is to allow it, but not to pay for the fool's folly, since free adults don't need Mommies. Let the idiots who engage in that sort of thing pay for it out of their own pocket, perhaps with higher insurance premiums. Sorta like how people with poor driving records should pay higher premiums as they are more of a risk. Same thing about smokers. That way the more wise and prudent of the population still pay lower premiums, which is a win-win situation. The people who want to engage can, and the people who don't don't have to pay for it.

So, no, your assertion that it costs everybody $$$'s isn't true, not in a truely free society (which is not what we currently have). For the freedoms of that free society comes with increased personal responsibility, which balances things.

Meaning, if you do something stupid, you are liable. If you can't cover your liability (out of your own pocket, or by insurance), tough taco. You lose.
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Old March 17, 2005, 07:45 AM   #48
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The easy way to please both sides is to have the insurance only cover the person who has a buckled seatbelt. The data could easily be recorded on the vehicles computer with the other codes.

If a person doesn't want to buckle up, he takes the risks alone. It's an agreement between the insurance company and the insured. The government has little business there.
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Old March 17, 2005, 12:29 PM   #49
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gb, I would take your view of a better society in a heartbeat. In a perfect world that's how it should be.

XB, that plan works for me. That would encourage personal responsibility without Govt. interference.

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Old March 17, 2005, 01:51 PM   #50
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I feel so cheated now......

Here I was already to go into "rant" mode about guys "pitching" .308 brass without a care as to whose face is opposite the ejection port .....I will do it anyway .....Some jerk lines up at the 100yds range KNOWING his gun "spits" lead from the front and then "Nolan Ryan Expresses" .308 brass 15-20ft out the ejection port over the top of my damn near 1000 dollar Bushmaster......You wanna talk about a code to follow, screw etiquette, lets talk just common sense ! If that brass had even "grazed" my ar I woulda shoved that .308 brass up his sphyncter sideways.....
It is common sense that if your rifle "Spews" brass when firiring to either cover it with a towel, get a piece of wood to deflect the brass(range supplied), or wait and take turns with the fellow next to you! Imagine happily grouping shots at fiftey yards when a case goes flying across the top of your carry handle and nose(from 15-20 yds away like I said; now that is distracting.....That sphyncter didn't even apologize aftercoming so close to hitting me!To return the favor, I introduced him to my Bushies ak muzzle brake/ejection port by getting next to him on the 100yd line though

To the topic....If you can hear a cell phone ringing, the conversation being said, or are worried about what the guy next to you is legally doing then..........YOU AIN'T DOING ENOUGH SHOOTING !!!!!!
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