Another thread about Tyler, TX, but an important question. - Page 2

**JohnKSa** · March 3, 2005, 11:45 PM

There is body armor available to stop rifle rounds. It's not as common and is a good bit more expensive than the stuff designed to stop pistol rounds.

Most any centerfire rifle round will penetrate a typical "bullet proof" vest.

thegunsofNevada · March 4, 2005, 12:51 AM

I know of no body armor in the world that, stock, can take rifle rounds...However, you can easily buy 'rifle plates' that will boost protection to Lvl. III...As far as I know, and I could be wrong, plain Kevlar only goes up to Lvl IIIA, which is suppopsed to be good for anything up to 9mm or so.

A .308 rifle round will go through body armor like a knife through butter, as well as trees or any matter of interveining cover, as showen in the North Hollywood incident when Matasamarenu (One of the suspects) opened up with a converted HK91.

As for feeling a pistol round? Remember that people dont get knocked down by bullets much, because the force exerted is matched by recoil (Just in a smaller area), so even at point blank with a shotgun v.s a target wearing body armor, he wont get pushed back any harder than the man with the shotgun would by its recoil.

And one last foot note on the North Hollywood shoot out: Both targets were high off their mind on phenobarbrital (A sedative, which is why they moved so slow, not really the bodyarmor), and they were actually shot several times under their armor that they didnt even notice.

**JohnKSa** · March 4, 2005, 01:23 AM

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plain Kevlar only goes up to Lvl IIIA, which is suppopsed to be good for anything up to 9mm or so

First of all, I don't recall saying anything about plain Kevlar.

Second, IIIA is the top of the line in CONCEALABLE body armor and protects against .44 Magnum, lead semi-wadcutter bullets with gas checks, 240gr @ 1400fps or less, and against 9mm FMJ 124gr @ 1400fps (9mm ammo for dedicated use in a subgun/carbine). That's pretty much any pistol round.

To stop standard pressure 9mm you only need to go to Type II (one level down from IIIA).

Threat level III is good against most non-AP rifle rounds including .308. It's a semi-rigid construction (not plain Kevlar).

Threat level IV is good against up to .30-06 (or similar) AP rounds. It's typically of a ceramic type construction and breaks down when shot so it's not good for multiple rounds.

March 4, 2005, 12:51 AM	#27
thegunsofNevada Member Join Date: March 1, 2005 Location: Clearview, WA Posts: 23	I know of no body armor in the world that, stock, can take rifle rounds...However, you can easily buy 'rifle plates' that will boost protection to Lvl. III...As far as I know, and I could be wrong, plain Kevlar only goes up to Lvl IIIA, which is suppopsed to be good for anything up to 9mm or so. A .308 rifle round will go through body armor like a knife through butter, as well as trees or any matter of interveining cover, as showen in the North Hollywood incident when Matasamarenu (One of the suspects) opened up with a converted HK91. As for feeling a pistol round? Remember that people dont get knocked down by bullets much, because the force exerted is matched by recoil (Just in a smaller area), so even at point blank with a shotgun v.s a target wearing body armor, he wont get pushed back any harder than the man with the shotgun would by its recoil. And one last foot note on the North Hollywood shoot out: Both targets were high off their mind on phenobarbrital (A sedative, which is why they moved so slow, not really the bodyarmor), and they were actually shot several times under their armor that they didnt even notice. __________________ I may only be 16, but I happen to know what I'm doing. Now were is the safety on this thing?

March 3, 2005, 11:45 PM	#26
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 16,753	There is body armor available to stop rifle rounds. It's not as common and is a good bit more expensive than the stuff designed to stop pistol rounds. Most any centerfire rifle round will penetrate a typical "bullet proof" vest.