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Old February 17, 2005, 11:04 PM   #1
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180 gr. Hornady XTP w/2400

Does anyone know where I can find load data for the 180 gr. xtp with the Alliant 2400? The Lee manual says that the xtp is longer than the regular jhp so it requires different data. I can't find data for the 2400 on it. Alliant's site doesn't have it and I couldn't find any info on Hornadys site. Anyone have any clues?
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Old February 17, 2005, 11:56 PM   #2
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Not trying to be a smartelic here, but, what caliber are you wanting load data for.

I can make a good guess by the 180gr bullet, but then in this business we never guess now do we?
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Old February 18, 2005, 08:21 AM   #3
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Sorry,

Sorry I didn't give enough information about it, my fault. I'm loading for my .357 magnum.
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Old February 18, 2005, 05:11 PM   #4
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Richard Lee reloading manual says 10.6 grain starting load never exceed 11.5 grains

TC RELOADING MANUAL ONLY RECOMENDED FOR TC CONTENDER, TC ENCORE, RUGER REDHAWK, RUGER BLACKHAWK
11.8 grain 1100fps
12.1 grain 1150fps
12.6 grain 1200fps MAX. LOAD
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Old February 18, 2005, 05:12 PM   #5
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Velocities posted above are for 10" barrel
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Old February 18, 2005, 05:37 PM   #6
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Sorry about that, I thought you where loading .44 magnum.

I wouldn't recommend 180's in a .357 revolver, I think you have to trim the cases down to use them, if you don't, I don't think the cylinder will close.
Not to mention the recoil would be a bear.
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Old February 18, 2005, 05:50 PM   #7
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I've shot some 180's in a 4" barreled Ruger security 6, .357 mag., and some in a 10" .357 mag. TC Contender The recoil is not all that bad in the revolver, but then again I am used to shooting a 14" barreled .44 mag. loaded hotter than what most people would load a .44 mag. That could make a big difference on how much recoil I consider acceptable. I do trim my .357 mag. cases every time with one of those Lee case trimmers that you chuck up in a drill every, and the wheel gun closes just fine.
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Old February 18, 2005, 06:10 PM   #8
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According to Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading; Vol 1 Sixth Edition that would be bullet #35771

For .357 Magnum using 2400: Start load is 10.3 gr for 900fps. Max load is 12.6 for 1150 fps. (In an 8" Colt Python and using Win WSPM primers)

YMMV

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Old February 18, 2005, 06:17 PM   #9
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highteckredneck,

What edition of the Lee manual do you have. I have the second edition, that came with my Anniversary kit. It does not give data for 180 grain XTP.

Everyone,
Which crimp groove do I use. Does the Hornady manual and other bullet manufacturers manuals give that kind of info since it is the exact bullet you have instead of just any "jacketed bullet"?
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Old February 18, 2005, 06:54 PM   #10
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Here's what I found in the Speer #11 manual for a Speer 180gr TMJ:

Note: This bullet was not originally intended for .357 Magnum revolvers although it has proven very successful when proerly loaded.
There are two methods for doing this. First, trim your cases to a maximum length of 1.180". and crimp in the cannelure. Second be sure cases do not exceed maximum of 1.275" (recommended trim length) and seat the bullet deeper and crimp over the shoulder. These two seating depths give a widely differing case capacity. Loads shown are for ech type of loading, Maximum loads differ and care must be excercised not to confuse them. These loadings give an overall length of less than SAAMI maximum cartridge length of 1.590" and should function in all revolvers adapted to shooting this heavy a load.

Cases Trimmed to 1.275" and crimped over the bullet shoulder, velocities from a S&W Model 28 6".

2400- Max 11.8 gr Velocity 1396
Starting 10.7 gr Velocity 912


Case trimmed 1.180" and bullet crimped in cennelure, velocties from a Dan wesson 8"

2400- Max 12.3 gr Velocity 1024
Starting 11.1 gr Velocity 868

*Note this data denotes the use of CCI #550 Magnum Primer

I don't see anything in 3 manuals about hollow points, let alone XTP's
Hope this helps!
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Old February 18, 2005, 07:14 PM   #11
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Quoth Bass Man:
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... Which crimp groove do I use. Does the Hornady manual and other bullet manufacturers manuals give that kind of info ...
The Hornady handbook doesn't say which groove to use. It does mention a Case Trim Length of 1.280" (Max case len: 1.290") and a C.O.L. of 1.590" ...

So I'm guessing the groove that's ~0.305" down from the tip.
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Old February 18, 2005, 08:25 PM   #12
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Thanks guys! There's no way I could have every manual to get every possible load data. My co-worker really likes his .357 with the 180 XTP and Lil' Gun. He gave me a few to try. So since you all recomend 2400 I thought I'd try that with this load to see how it works and compare the 2. Since I'm just starting out 2400 also has some .38 special applications and I won't have to put out a lot of money all at once to have a load specific powder.
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Old February 19, 2005, 09:49 AM   #13
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I think that my Richard Lee manual is the 1st edition. I honestly can not say that for sure though. It is lying here beside me on the computer desk, because I have posted several loads out of it on here the last few days. All it says on the cover is MODERN RELOADING by RICHARD LEE It does not say which volume it is. Like you I got it in a LEE starter kit. it was not the aniversary kit though. That kit came out 2 or 3 years after I purchased my kit. Also it just recomends that load as a generic load for 180 grain JSP bullets not specificaly the XTP. The manual that I got the hotter loads out of specificaly meantions the XTP. It's a manual the TC put together for the Contender, and Encore. ruger Redhawk, and Blackhawk are suposedly the only 2 wheel guns that will handle the loads that they reccomend, and they are quite clear about that in the manual.
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Old February 19, 2005, 11:12 AM   #14
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180's in 357 Mag.

I've shot 180's (Hornady and Nosler) in my 3" Rugar - they work very well. I like W296, V110, or Lil'Gun powders. Do you guys have any good loads?
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