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Old January 15, 2005, 08:06 PM   #1
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semi-auto bear rifle???

I have a question. I work in the forest industry up here in canada and I've been looking for a relyable semi-auto bear gun for some time now. So far the the best thing i can find is a browning BAR which comes in several different calibers, the problem is that the higher caliber ones which i am interested in (338 Mag.+) have a magazine capacity of around 2-3 rounds and i'd rather not carry one in the chamber for safety reasons. This is a problem when a grizz is charging at race horse speed. 2 or 3 shots just isn't enough.
I really like the BAR Lightweight Stalker but 2 shots in the clip isn't nearly enough.
...So here is my question...Does anyone make a replacement magazine for the BAR with higher capacity?
Or...Are there any other high caliber semi-autos with larger capacity magazines?

(at present I carry my DW 357 mag. but after reading a few posts,I feel it is just giving me a false sense of security )

thanks again...Rich Krewenchuk
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Old January 16, 2005, 01:15 AM   #2
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Barett .50 cal M82A1 Semi-auto, big bore, 11-round capacity magazine. Should stop a grizzley no problem!
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Old January 16, 2005, 02:15 AM   #3
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I have heard of some conversion mags for the Browning, but have no idea where to look.

BTW, can you even own anything more than a five round mag?


Perhaps an auto shotgun with slugs and an extended tube might be a better solution? Or maybe a .45-70 lever gun?
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Old January 16, 2005, 02:50 AM   #4
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m1a? 20 rounds, .308 will probably do the job.

you could always carry a SW500, but you'll be deaf after using it in an emergency (Please mister Bear, wait while I don my ear muffs before I shoot you!)
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Old January 16, 2005, 03:43 AM   #5
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You might be able to pick up a Remington Model 8 or 81 up there. You are talking about charging bears and empty chambers? Egads and gadzooks!
Also, an old Browning A-5 would be comforting. Slug, buck, slug, buck, slug - that means chambered.
The Remington .35 with heavy slugs is good for bears, and has that big safety you can just give a swat to get it ready to go.

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Old January 16, 2005, 06:14 AM   #6
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You might want to try one of these.

http://ruger-mini-14-firearms.com/ar10_supermagnum.html
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Old January 16, 2005, 12:06 PM   #7
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If I remember correctly, McCann's was making converted M1 Garands...

In .338 Magnum, holding 4 in the magazine and one in the chamber. Here's the website:

McCann's Magnum Garand


Otherwise, wait for my .45-70 Saiga/AK-47 conversion to go on the market. (The prototype is almost finished, but the recoil will be "interesting".)
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Old January 16, 2005, 01:07 PM   #8
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7 + 1..

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Old January 16, 2005, 01:20 PM   #9
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There is the Remington 7400 but the biggest caliber it comes in is 30-06. The BAR is probably the only semi-auto available in calibers bigger than the 30-06.
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Old January 16, 2005, 01:44 PM   #10
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marlin

pick up a marlin guide gun in .45-70 and load it up with some big 500 grainers thatll stop and the lever is fast enough that youll get a few off we're only allowed to have a five round mag here in the great white north

i dont know if its a good idea but ask someone at the gunshop about a pump 12 guage with some 3 1/2 inch slug rounds or 00 buckshot
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Old January 16, 2005, 01:50 PM   #11
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not sure but how about a 12 gauge

Seems like a pump shotgun or an auto would do the job? not sure cause I never had a Griz charge me?

I would think a few loads of buck shot close range in his face might work....?

Sorry if I am way off on this? I hear the full speed Pepper spray is very good too?

Good luck......and research good on such an important topic....
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Old January 16, 2005, 01:55 PM   #12
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Sam - what is your issue with 9mm's?

about 9mm owners? What is your issue? Seems to be a good choice for a zillion of us...... I like 45's too but to each his own???
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Old January 16, 2005, 01:55 PM   #13
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Rich,

I am confused by your statement that you do not wish to carry the rifle with a chambered cartridge for safety reasons. Being in Bear country, where you expect to have to defend yourself, when as you say, they attack quickly, and your chamber is empty?

I think you should just stay home where its safer.

............and if you can't stop a bear with three rounds of .338 WinMag, you are truely in big trouble.
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Old January 16, 2005, 02:27 PM   #14
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Back in the day, all of the Forest Service workers that I knew who worked in big bear country carried 12ga Remington 1100s or 11/87s with 21" barrels and 7-shot extensions, using 3" slug loads. Having a 473gr .75 caliber (or thereabouts - the exact numbers escape me at the moment) lead projectile moving out at 1700+fps or so seemed to work just fine, and as a close-in defensive weapon was preferred over the 45/70 Marlins and such.

The key seemed to be to use a Rottweil/Brenneke slug instead of a Foster-style. Word was that the Rottweil/Brenneke style slug held together much better when confronted with lots of bone/gristle than the Foster style...
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Old January 16, 2005, 02:42 PM   #15
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How about an AR with an Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf (or Tromix .458 Socom) upper? It can be the same size and not much heavier than an M4 but pack 8+rds. of warm .45-70 level ammo. Pretty controlable in rapid fire and can be fired close up with one hand if necessary more easily than a conventonal stocked rifle (in case one arm is dangling by a shread of meat from a bear swipe ). There are lots of fast reaction CQB slings available for the AR platform too which should help get it into action fast. Of course I dunno if ARs are legal in Canada? Marcus
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Old January 16, 2005, 02:46 PM   #16
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Okay here's what gets me. Somehow 3 or 4 rounds of .338 Win Mag pushing 250 gr bullets at 2700 fps isn't enough, yet having to rack one into the chamber before employing your weapon is...fine? Just seems a little contradictory to me.

I would get a Remington 11-87. With a good bead or ghost ring sights, it should offer a good, clean, fast sight picture. Even without an extended magazine, you have four rounds in the magazine and one in the tube, 12 gauge 3 inch Brenneke slugs--if that won't do it then nothing short of a belt fed cannon will.
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Old January 16, 2005, 04:50 PM   #17
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20 round of .308 is good.
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Old January 16, 2005, 07:21 PM   #18
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That .338 Magnum Garand looks like a great gun, but $2500 US plus the original Garand? Even with the dollar's fall against the Yen and Euro that is over $3000 Canadian.

http://www.gokart.net/shop-utopia/mc...nd/garand.html
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Old January 16, 2005, 07:30 PM   #19
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sorry guys

we canucks cant have more than 5 rounds in a centerfire rifle magazine (not sure about shotgun). you can only have an AR if its for a collection or for your lawful profession (police officer) too much red tape up here in the great white north
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Old January 16, 2005, 08:36 PM   #20
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The simple question is always the best..

I guess it comes down to a question..
Which one do you trust more... Or you find it's more pridictable..
A loaded gun ?
A large grizz charging you ?
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Old January 17, 2005, 02:17 AM   #21
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Rojoe67 ,
I actualy enjoy shooting 9mm quite a bit and even own a few, Just happen to enjoy .45 a little more. I read that line somewhere some time ago and it just stuck.
Not meant to P.O. 9mm shooters out there at all! Cause I are one too!
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Old January 17, 2005, 02:22 AM   #22
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How bout a Ithica ROAD BLOCKER 10ga. slinging some 1 1/8oz. slugs! Or how bout a 12ga w./ 3.5 inch chamber and some Rem. Copper Solid slugs.
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Old January 17, 2005, 01:17 PM   #23
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I am confused by your statement that you do not wish to carry the rifle with a chambered cartridge for safety reasons. Being in Bear country, where you expect to have to defend yourself, when as you say, they attack quickly, and your chamber is empty?
Why doesn't he put a trigger lock on too!!!!!! :barf:
Them there bears will wait til you get it unlocked.....
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Old January 17, 2005, 01:41 PM   #24
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we canucks cant have more than 5 rounds in a centerfire rifle magazine
Then the answer to the problem is emigrate. Or do something illegal.
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Old January 17, 2005, 02:43 PM   #25
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If he went the 50 Beowulf route he could use a 20 round mag that holds only 4 or 5 rounds IIRC, it's the 30 rndrs that hold 7.
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