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Old November 30, 2004, 02:28 PM   #51
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Old November 30, 2004, 09:20 PM   #52
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All this talk about safety has worked it's way into here when it was mainly just to stir up ANY idea. BillCA picked up on it best I think:

>>>Everyone should know 2 ways to rack a slide single handed. <<<

It's not safe, and none of these methods really are. You want to rack on a brick wall and have it go off a foot from your face as opposed to in your hand as in my original method? One doesnt seem better or worse than the other to me. I dont want to be shot anywhere.

Other things that worked into this are well I'll never be one handed or why dont you carry a revolver. You've never slipped in the shower or seen someone get hurt at work or be in a car accident? Any of these can leave you at least temporarily with one less arm. As to just carrying a revolver...that's all I'd ever carry as long as I have a choice. But I also own autos, so I'd like to know how to use them in every way possible.

The one last thing is this is on the tactics forum, not the semi forum. I thought this is the place for what-ifs, not safe range practice. I dont mean to sound like an ass, it just seems as if this thread is being taken every which way but the way it was intended, and maybe that was my fault for not being clear enough. I know safety, but not being prepared for any situation you can think of is the biggest risk of all. I seen my guns jam before, and if some emergency comes up.

Randy's What-If: All Randy has left for target practice is his 357HPs and he's having a great day and decides to polish them all off at the range. He has plenty of 9mms left cuz he has a billion to begin with. Driving home with revo now empty, crazy drunk runs a red and smashes Randy's Tbird. Of course crazy drunk is alright and is coming up on the Tbird with tire iron in hand, swinging madly and smashing the already smashed car sayign how he's gonna kill ME for ruining HIS car. Randy's arm was smashed in the accident and he's now out the other side of the car scramblin to load up a mag with crazy drunk in hot pursuit so he cant stop to rack it on his car. Hmmm...I never thought it was neccessary to learn any other ways to rack with one hand. Boy am I kicking myself now as I have a gun I cant figure out how to rack and drunk Bubba is getting ready to split my skull.

Big what-if, but is it impossible? My revo is out of the picture, my arm is out of commission, and I somehow must rack my gun with no foreign objects and no time to grab it on the back of my knee. I'd risk losing my figure tip again (a piece got cut off at work once cuz I tried to hurry) if that was the only way I could think of in a pinch to do it. That's enough rant for now. Basically though, safety was not to be part of this thread, open mindedness was.

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Old November 30, 2004, 11:57 PM   #53
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Old December 1, 2004, 01:35 AM   #54
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Interesting Thread.

I prefer the 1911 style and mine do not have FLGRs. Yes I have / do practice various one handed drills, strong and weak handed.

My thinking is bad stuff happens to good people, has a tendency to do so at the worst possible time. I subscribe to learning how to deal with these situations before they happen. Some call it "what ifs" , some call it "training" . I also subscribe to the One learns from mistakes - a whole lot less expensive and painful if someone else's mistake .

Some areas I "think outside the box" on :

- Something other than the 1911 platform, and Revolvers.

-Persons for whatever reason, that are challenged; be it injury, recovering from surgery , arthritis ,or born with a problem that a normal healthy person never considers.

-For whatever reason one is in a Serious Situation, name of the game is survival. Even so , and doing best can to obey the 4 Rules, that Threat needs immediate attention, so yep that muzzle might sweep oneself, using the other 3 rules keeps you safe.

Now I have helped folks that were challenged, the Tip-Up Beretta in .380 allows one to chamber a round without racking the slide. Allows them to make safe, and double check the firearm is safe, be it cleaning, range use , whatever. First rule : have a gun. Forget the caliber wars and such, have a gun.

I/ we also worked with folks using 1911 with FLGRs, Glocks, Keltec P-11s, revolvers....whatever... they had in one hand drills. Matters not why or what they have what they do, maybe the new CCW student, Have a gun and learn to use to best of abililty. That single mom on a budget just can't up and buy a new one - she can learn the Model 10, the P-11 or the Tip Up .380 she has.

Just some of MY thoughts.

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