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Old November 13, 2004, 09:21 PM   #1
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My new Seecamp LWS 32/ammo experiances

I have been contemplating a pocket auto for a number of years. I am a law enforcement officer and, while I know, all other things being equal, that one is better off with the largest gun he/she can carry, the reality of the situation is that the best defensive weapon is the one you have with you...always. I also know myself and often, when off duty, I have no desire to dress around a gun, which is generally required on all firearms that would be considered "serious" defensive calibers. I have always operated under the premise that "no one wants to get shot" and the reality that, in 99% of potentially serious confrontations, simply brandishing a firearm is enough to diffuse a conflict. I therefore set about identifying the smallest, lightest, most easily concealable "always" gun out there, which for me will be the one that I will most likely end up carrying.

My choices were very quickly narrowed down to the Seecamp LWS 32 or the NAA Guardian 32 ACP. When compared to these two guns, the Beretta Tomcat seems like a boat anchor, and the Kel-Tec, despite all the raves it gets, is just not of the quality that I expect in a firearm. I have always viewed firearms as items which should last a lifetime and ultimately, would be passed down to future generations. I just can't get that from the Kel-Tec.

My viceral reaction from the outset was that the Seecamp would be the gun for me. It is a full two ounces lighter that the Guardian, and in a weapon of this size, two ounces is significant. While I prefer the frame mounted magazine release, and the relative ease of disassembly of the NAA, realistically, this is a last ditch effort piece for which I am sure I will not be toting a reload...and disassembly of the Seecamp...while more difficult than the NAA...is a snap after the first time. My bigger concerns with the Seecamp revolve around overall serviceability. NAA is a large company which (hopefully) will be around for a good many years. Seecamp is a relatively small company...and I don't know what Mr. Seecamp's plans are once he enters retirement.

In any case, the choice was made for me since NAA does not have a single Guardian available. Apparently they are having trouble getting their supply of frames from Kahr (which is their CNC machiner) and they currently have a six month backlog of orders to fill. Since I want my new gun now, and since I was trending there anyway, I went with the Seecamp.

My LWS arrived on 11/8/04, serial number 045***. It was immediately apparant that this gun was built like a swiss watch...superbly finished compared to the Guardians I have handled...and noticably more "streamlined" in its outward appointments and lower weight. I set off to the range with silvertips, hydroshocks, and Gold Dots.

This gun obviously loves Gold Dots. I had several failures to feed with the Silvertips (6 out of a box of 50), and the hydroshocks keyholed so badly that at the 10 foot range from which I was firing, it looked as if a tomahawk had hit the paper. Gold Dots by contrast, left perfect little 32 caliber holes in the target.

There are many arguments for and against the Seecamp, as well as for and against the Guardian...sights or lack of...only hollowpoints vs ball...and so on. For me the bottom line was lowest weight...smallest package...and longevity. Remember...this is a last ditch effort gun with a practical useful range of 10 feet or less...just enough to get someone out of your personal space and for you to retreat to safety (or to get a bigger gun!)

In summary, I am absolutely thrilled with my Seecamp. I have not ruled out the purchase of a Guardian at some future date (if they ever get their manufactuing issues resolved) but I am confident that if I had both of them in front of me right now, the Seecamp LWS 32, stoked with Gold Dots, would be the gun to accompany me out the door!
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Old November 14, 2004, 06:20 AM   #2
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Seecamp

There was a warning recently from Seecamp concerning the Silvertip. It seems that they are finding lots of the ammo with the bullets loose in the case. This is causing feeding problems as well as the risk of the bullet seating so deep the pressure increase damages/blows up the gun. They no longer want people to use Silvertip until this issue is solved. I am aware of a couple of people who have purchased this loose ammo. My Seecamp circa 91 keyholes with silvertip regularly and sometimes shoots the jacket off the bullet. Have not tried gold dot.
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Old November 14, 2004, 09:42 AM   #3
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You made a great choice to carry a BUG, and a great choice of weapons. I think you did a nice job describing the Seecamp. It is made like a Swiss watch. Mr. Seecamp loves each one that he produces.
I have owned and carried a LWS-32 for in excess of twelve years.
I have had a few issues with my earlier ones, that is all resolved now.
I just recently took delivery of a .380 Seecamp.
Good choice, and I hope you never need to use it for its intended purpose.


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Old November 14, 2004, 11:12 AM   #4
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Chameleon,

Thanks for the good wishes. It is encouraging to hear from people who have had their Seecamps for a while and still find them reliable. I like your collection! I contemplated the 380...however for its intended purpose...In my view the 32 should do just fine. Who knows what the future holds though. Thanks to this fine little gun...I fear I've been bitten by the "pocket pistol bug"
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Old November 14, 2004, 05:06 PM   #5
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You know, I agree with you on the LWS 32 doing the job. The .380 probably isn't needed, but I had to have it.
You will do great with the 32. Look how small it is, and how well made. You will have it with you at all times, and feel secure with it. That brings me to my next point, get yourself another LWS-32. If anything should happen to this one, you will want another one in your pocket ASAP.
That' why I got another one.
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Old November 14, 2004, 07:09 PM   #6
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I already thought of that. I need to recover from this expenditure first though. Perhaps...at some point....I will pick up a Guardian to pull duty in the event my Seecamp needs to go in for service
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Old December 3, 2004, 12:35 PM   #7
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Hollowpoints only with the Seecamp?

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...only hollowpoints vs ball...
So the Seecamps ONLY work reliably with hollowpoints? Am I interpreting the above quote correctly? If so, I thought ball ammo always fed more reliably because of the rounded nose? Is it the shortness of the HP round that causes it to feed better in the Seecamp? If so, does anyone know if there are any FMJ rounds that work well in the Seecamp?

I too am in the market for a very small and reliable 32 and am presently doing my research...

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Old December 4, 2004, 08:49 PM   #8
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Seecamps were designed for HP only Ball over all length to long as I remember.
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