If You Think "PUPPET REGIME" is unfair....

bountyh · September 27, 2004, 04:34 PM

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...702122,00.html

House minority leader Nancy Pelosi "came unglued" when she learned about what a source described as a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the elections." Pelosi had strong words with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in a phone call about the issue.

How Much U.S. Help?
The Bush Administration takes heat for a CIA plan to influence Iraq's elections
By TIMOTHY J. BURGER; DOUGLAS WALLER

Monday, Sep. 27, 2004
President Bush and interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi insisted last week that Iraq would go ahead with elections scheduled for January, despite continuing violence. But U.S. officials tell TIME that the Bush team ran into trouble with another plan involving those elections — a secret "finding" written several months ago proposing a covert CIA operation to aid candidates favored by Washington. A source says the idea was to help such candidates — whose opponents might be receiving covert backing from other countries, like Iran — but not necessarily to go so far as to rig the elections. But lawmakers from both parties raised questions about the idea when it was sent to Capitol Hill. In particular, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi "came unglued" when she learned about what a source described as a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the elections." Pelosi had strong words with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in a phone call about the issue.

Rice spokesman Sean McCormack says, "I cannot in any way comment on classified matters, the existence or nonexistence of findings." But, McCormack says, "there have been and continue to be concerns about efforts by outsiders to influence the outcome of the Iraqi elections, including money flowing from Iran. This raises concerns about whether there will be a level playing field for the election. This situation has posed difficult dilemmas about what action, if any, the U.S. should take in response. In the final analysis, we have adopted a policy that we will not try to influence the outcome of the upcoming Iraqi election by covertly helping individual candidates for office." A senior U.S. official hinted that, under pressure from the Hill, the Administration scaled back its original plans. "This was a tough call. We went back and forth on it in the U.S. government. We consulted the Hill on this question ... Our embassy in Baghdad will run a number of overt programs to support the democratic electoral process," as the U.S. does elsewhere in the world.

Quartus · September 27, 2004, 05:24 PM

Spooks sit around and come up with ideas, write them up, and submit them. It's what they do. It's their job. The fact that an idea was proposed in no way shows that it was:

Thought up by the White House
Approved by the White House
Even seriously considered by the White House
Or even SEEN by the President

Pelosi - and others - need to grow up.

cool hand luke 22:36 · September 28, 2004, 02:22 PM

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But lawmakers from both parties raised questions about the idea when it was sent to Capitol Hill. In particular, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi "came unglued" when she learned about what a source described as a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the elections." Pelosi had strong words with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in a phone call about the issue.

Another example of why the hard-left DemocRats should never again be allowed to wield power.

First we had the imbecile Jimmunah Peanut Carter hand Iran over to a group of serial killers led by Khomeni in '79,

Now we have this flaming idiot Pelosi, who would apparently rather see Iran and it's Al-Queda surrogates take charge in Iraq.

Where do the DemocRats find these morons.

Filthy anti-American rats.

KSFreeman · September 28, 2004, 02:50 PM

Isn't this the same woman who after seeing the prison pics from Iraq claimed she was aghast even though she is from San Fransico where that kind of thing is acceptable bathhouse behavior on a Friday night?

Me thinks someone doth protesth too much.

TheGunslinger · September 28, 2004, 05:14 PM

BountyHunter strikes again! anyone ever notice how he posts some crap, argues a little then takes off after he can't defend himself? Isn't there a word for that on these boards?

PsychoSword · September 28, 2004, 05:31 PM

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a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the (Iraqi) elections."

Yea, it's called Operation Have Al-Qaeda Blow Some Stuff Up On Election Day

Quartus · September 28, 2004, 05:53 PM

Gunslinger, he ususally hangs around longer than this. I guess this was too weak even for him to defend!

TheGunslinger · September 28, 2004, 05:58 PM

Destructo6 · September 28, 2004, 05:59 PM

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Nancy Pelosi

That's a credibility killer.

Fred Hansen · October 1, 2004, 03:09 AM

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BountyHunter strikes again! anyone ever notice how he posts some crap, argues a little then takes off after he can't defend himself?

Without forged documents to back up the 100% accuracy of his post, he probably came to the conclusion that discretion is the better part of valor.

ez45 · October 1, 2004, 08:21 AM

Sinister American Operatives have indeed been influencing recent foreign elections complete with disinformation campaigns and underhanded dirty tricks.

http://www.carville.info/jcbio.html

After the Clinton victory, Carville began to focus on foreign consulting. Since that time, Carville's political clients have included the following: Greek Prime Minister Constantine Mitsotakis; Brazilian President Fernando Enrique Cardoso; Honduran Prime Minister Carlos Flores; President Jamil Mahuad of Ecuador; the Liberal Party of Canada; British Prime Minister Tony Blair; Sao Paulo Mayor Celso Pitta; Argentine Economic Minister Domingo Carvallo; Francis Labastida of Mexico; Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago Basdeo Panday; and President Hipolito Mejia of the Dominican Republic. In 1999, Carville led Ehud Barak to Victory in his campaign to become Prime Minister of Israel.

September 27, 2004, 04:34 PM	#1
bountyh Junior member Join Date: November 1, 2001 Location: NaziFornia Posts: 908	If You Think "PUPPET REGIME" is unfair.... http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...702122,00.html House minority leader Nancy Pelosi "came unglued" when she learned about what a source described as a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the elections." Pelosi had strong words with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in a phone call about the issue. How Much U.S. Help? The Bush Administration takes heat for a CIA plan to influence Iraq's elections By TIMOTHY J. BURGER; DOUGLAS WALLER Monday, Sep. 27, 2004 President Bush and interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi insisted last week that Iraq would go ahead with elections scheduled for January, despite continuing violence. But U.S. officials tell TIME that the Bush team ran into trouble with another plan involving those elections — a secret "finding" written several months ago proposing a covert CIA operation to aid candidates favored by Washington. A source says the idea was to help such candidates — whose opponents might be receiving covert backing from other countries, like Iran — but not necessarily to go so far as to rig the elections. But lawmakers from both parties raised questions about the idea when it was sent to Capitol Hill. In particular, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi "came unglued" when she learned about what a source described as a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the elections." Pelosi had strong words with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in a phone call about the issue. Rice spokesman Sean McCormack says, "I cannot in any way comment on classified matters, the existence or nonexistence of findings." But, McCormack says, "there have been and continue to be concerns about efforts by outsiders to influence the outcome of the Iraqi elections, including money flowing from Iran. This raises concerns about whether there will be a level playing field for the election. This situation has posed difficult dilemmas about what action, if any, the U.S. should take in response. In the final analysis, we have adopted a policy that we will not try to influence the outcome of the upcoming Iraqi election by covertly helping individual candidates for office." A senior U.S. official hinted that, under pressure from the Hill, the Administration scaled back its original plans. "This was a tough call. We went back and forth on it in the U.S. government. We consulted the Hill on this question ... Our embassy in Baghdad will run a number of overt programs to support the democratic electoral process," as the U.S. does elsewhere in the world.

September 27, 2004, 05:24 PM	#2
Quartus Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,825	Spooks sit around and come up with ideas, write them up, and submit them. It's what they do. It's their job. The fact that an idea was proposed in no way shows that it was: Thought up by the White House Approved by the White House Even seriously considered by the White House Or even SEEN by the President Pelosi - and others - need to grow up. __________________ . Better to know what you don't know than to think you know what you don't know.

September 28, 2004, 02:50 PM	#4
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,425	Isn't this the same woman who after seeing the prison pics from Iraq claimed she was aghast even though she is from San Fransico where that kind of thing is acceptable bathhouse behavior on a Friday night? Me thinks someone doth protesth too much. __________________ "Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980).

September 28, 2004, 05:14 PM	#5
TheGunslinger Member Join Date: September 3, 2004 Posts: 85	BountyHunter strikes again! anyone ever notice how he posts some crap, argues a little then takes off after he can't defend himself? Isn't there a word for that on these boards? __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

September 28, 2004, 05:53 PM	#7
Quartus Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,825	Gunslinger, he ususally hangs around longer than this. I guess this was too weak even for him to defend! __________________ . Better to know what you don't know than to think you know what you don't know.

September 28, 2004, 05:58 PM	#8
TheGunslinger Member Join Date: September 3, 2004 Posts: 85	__________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

October 1, 2004, 08:21 AM	#11
ez45 Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 39	Sinister American Operatives Sinister American Operatives have indeed been influencing recent foreign elections complete with disinformation campaigns and underhanded dirty tricks. http://www.carville.info/jcbio.html After the Clinton victory, Carville began to focus on foreign consulting. Since that time, Carville's political clients have included the following: Greek Prime Minister Constantine Mitsotakis; Brazilian President Fernando Enrique Cardoso; Honduran Prime Minister Carlos Flores; President Jamil Mahuad of Ecuador; the Liberal Party of Canada; British Prime Minister Tony Blair; Sao Paulo Mayor Celso Pitta; Argentine Economic Minister Domingo Carvallo; Francis Labastida of Mexico; Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago Basdeo Panday; and President Hipolito Mejia of the Dominican Republic. In 1999, Carville led Ehud Barak to Victory in his campaign to become Prime Minister of Israel.