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Old December 19, 2002, 10:01 PM   #1
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Wanting to know about Armalite's AR10 rifles.

I am interested in the aforementioned. Anyone own, shoot, fondle?

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Old December 19, 2002, 10:50 PM   #2
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I have owned two AR10s, and I miss them both. One was a 16" "Navy" model AR-10(T) and the other a big 'ol AR-10(T) full size. Both awesome shooters. Both heavy.

The long barreled AR-10(T) would shoot a dime at 100 yards easy, and was so heavy and stable you could watch an apple explode thorugh the scope.

Only downsides to me are weight and the cost of 20 round mags.

Awesome system. You'll be annoyed cleaning a little AR15 after cleaning an AR10!

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Old December 19, 2002, 10:59 PM   #3
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Yes, yes, and, uh...sometimes.

Never tried the SR-25, although I hear good things about it. Not sure if it's worth twice as much. Don't here much about the ASA model, other than Armalite was (is?) suing them.
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Old December 20, 2002, 08:57 AM   #4
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I stopped by the Armalite display at Perry this past summer and in a wide arc all over the AR10's . Mike Gingher kept egging me on to the 10T As if I NEEDED a rifle that will empty a magazine into a quarter at a hundred yards ! I think the only reason I did not buy one was that I had a 700P that I could spend a little money and try the new fangled scope idea .
I try to do most of my shooting from field positions and that six power scope wiggles a lot no matter the range or target . Once I beat that mental monkey a little more I believe I could do the AR10 a little more justice and I can leave a trail of twenty dollar bills and see if it follows me home .


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Old December 20, 2002, 09:31 AM   #5
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I have an AR-10 A2 w/ 16” barrel

Love the thing … very accurate, solid and reliable. I will probably never get rid of it. The muzzle blast is hefty and it has been affectionately named by my boys (ages 4 & 7) “THUNDER”. It never bothers me while shooting but it did blow off Gorge Hill’s safety glasses (who was shooting next to me ) at this years 3 gun WC match.

My next one will be an A-4 (flat top) w/ the full length barrel and bi-pod.
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Old December 20, 2002, 12:39 PM   #6
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I like mine a whole lot. ar10-a4. Bought mine used, and even with me shooting it, I managed to get under 1.5MOA at 100yds with portugese surplus ammo. I definitely suspect it is capable of more than I am
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Old December 20, 2002, 09:40 PM   #7
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lots of thumping over at www.biggerhammer.net

the Sr25 vs AR10 review is worth a look:
http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/sr25var10/
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Old December 26, 2002, 09:04 AM   #8
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An option

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Old December 26, 2002, 09:28 AM   #9
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I don't, but a buddy does...

And luckily, he lets me shoot it!!! It's a situation wherein he has the money, but he wants to share the joy. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to talk him into sharing the joy enough to buy me one...

Still, his AR-10 is a match-grade, complete with a 3-9x40 Leupold scope, and it will gleefully punch tiny groups at 100 yards.

Without tampering with his scope settings, I can usually group out at around four to five inches (always gotta have that last-shot flyer, it seems... ), which is more due to my inability to get good eye relief on the scope than anything with the rifle, itself.

Now, I just have to find $1800...hmm, if I save my change--forever!! D'OH!!!!
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Old December 26, 2002, 09:46 AM   #10
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Had an SR-25. Shot well, but couldn't finish a magazine to save it's (or your) life. Two trips back to Knight's, no improvement (and dealing with Knight is no fun, let me tell you).

Final analysis: junk. Traded it off for an HK SR9T, which shoots almost as well and, most importantly, ALWAYS works.

Enough said.
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Old December 26, 2002, 01:34 PM   #11
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I got me the AR-10A4 flat top 16" barrel. Love that rifle, The accuracy out of that 16" barrel with ARGENTINE surplus is great 1/2" groups at 100 yards no problem.I can hit metal swingers at 300 yards,after that the 16" barrel is done. One draw back with my AR-10 is it rips the rim, especially noticable on commercial ammo to the point that some of it wont go into the shell holder. Military ammo is not so noticable. Checked around and have been told its the nature of the beast. Reliable as the sun coming up in the morning. Its a keeper.
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Old December 26, 2002, 06:18 PM   #12
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Had the AR10A4 Carbine. It wouldn't shoot up to their guarantee (1 1/2" for 5 shots @100) so I sent it back to them and asked them to replace the barrel. I said "Oh & BTW, could you make that a stainless 20" and throw in a float tube at cost?" Sure! So I paid a little extra for the stainless plus the tube and she now shoots to the guarantee. Don't know how much better, haven't had time to fool with it.
As an aside, I like the way the 20" handles better than the 16". It doesn't seem as heavy. Armalite does know how to treat their customers and I would buy one again. I love the rifle.
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Old December 26, 2002, 11:19 PM   #13
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Magazine conversions always seem to be an issue with folks who dislike the AR10, usually it's coming from the crowd who wished that the design used cheap FAL magazines or a dedicated magazine like the SR25s. In the end, I really like having a gun that shares it's magazines with the M14, I plan on owning an M1A some day and having magazines that will work in either gun is a benefit to me. If converted in the right way, the M14 magazine tubes can need only so little as the slot milled into the magazine well in the correct location. If the lug is left on the back of the magazine, it will retain full function as an M14 magazine while only losing the "bolt hold open" feature that comes with the modified follower of the AR10 magazine conversion.

In short, an M14 magazine with the slot milled in the side and using the polymer AR10 follower would work in both rifles with the exception of neither rifle having a last shot bolt hold open.


It's also possible to grab an unconverted M14 magazine and fire it from an AR10 if you absolutely had to, you have to hold it in place while shooting but it is possible. The AR10 upper receiver has a sort of ledge built into it that appears to prevent over insertion of a magazine.


My 20 inch AR10 A4 with chrome lined barrrel, with better handloads it gets under 1 inch for 5 shots at 100 yards while fighting the long heavy trigger pull.

I'm waiting on funds to order off a 2nd upper assembly in it in 260Remington, want to try to get it into an accurized long range configuration. Probably going to be looking into the Nightforce line of scopes to go along with it as well.





Edited to add, Armalite customer service is the best of all companies out there who make AR style 308s. I've had to deal with them in the past for customer service and it's been the best experience I've ever had in dealing with a firearms company, helpfull and friendly to say the least. Only thing that prevents me from buying more Armalite rifles? Living in Ca., but maybe I'll get an AR50 one of these days

Knights is reknowned for being overly concerned with government business contracts and satisfying the civilians 2nd to gov't. contracts. Good product but high price and not the best of customer relations.

ASA has the misfortune of having one of the worst reputations going, generally their word is not to be trusted. Hesse is likely the only ones to rank lower. ASA and Hesse, worst product consistency out there by far and often times have reports of the worst customer service imaginable.


Supposedly DPMS is coming out with a target AR 308 configuration, won't be a high capacity capable critter though by the sounds of it(buzz was on AR15.com forums a month or two ago).
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Old May 18, 2004, 08:44 PM   #14
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actually, now that I am in a free state I have seen an AR-10 in .243 at a local shop. Except for the fact there will be NO mil-surp .243 around, any opinions?
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Old May 18, 2004, 10:17 PM   #15
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The DPMS .308 is supposed to be incredibly accurate, at least according to the reviews in American Rifleman and Shotgun News. Only $1000, too. It uses SR25 mags, but the included mags were supposed to be pretty crappy.
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Old May 19, 2004, 03:11 AM   #16
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I have a LR-308 and I love it! It's as accurate as my 700PSS.

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Old May 19, 2004, 12:45 PM   #17
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This is my unfired 2003 AR15.com/ArmaLite SEBR #7 of 125 Rifles and Carbines(Special Edition Black Rifle, #3 in a series of 5).
I had it set up a couple of different ways when I first got it just to shoot pix.
Currently, the upper is on the way back from ArmaLite where they put on the 2-slot muzzle brake (part of a limited time free offer) and refinished the bbl.
I'm also waiting on some parts: buttpad; cheekpiece and low powered Tasco Titan 30mm scope.
Now to get some match ammo and go to the range to see what it'll do.
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Old May 20, 2004, 09:57 PM   #18
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Hey BusGunner007,

Nice SEBR....I see you are one of the few lucky ones. I can honestly say that I have never been so HAPPY NOT to buy a gun. I really wanted one, but I decided to wait until people got the first batch around Halloween to test them out first. Then with all of the delays, I had a bad feeling. :barf: That has been such a CF, I feel so bad for all the guys that are in limbo. I ck in once in a while just to see if things have gotten better. Anyway nice pics.

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Old May 20, 2004, 10:11 PM   #19
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I wanted an AR10 really badly for a while, but the $1000+ pricetag kept me out of the game... BUT now that the 6.8mm Remington SPC ammo is just a couple months away from being commercially available, and now that places like Model 1 Sales offer a 6.8mm RemSPC upper for under $400, I've lost interest in the AR10. I'm just waiting patiently until I can walk into my local gun shop and buy a box of 6.8mm for my $600 upper (I want an ADCO built one) that sits on my existing pre-ban Bushmaster lower... THAT will be sweet.
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Old May 21, 2004, 07:36 AM   #20
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Thank you, FatBoy.
I won't feel lucky until everbody gets theirs, too.
It will happen, somehow, and soon I hope.
Meanwhile, I'll get my other parts and see what happens.

This purchase needs to have the fun put back into it...
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Old May 21, 2004, 08:26 AM   #21
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Anybody else think that if Bushie's .308's really run well with FAL mags that it'll be the genius move of the decade?

I saw FAL mags in a box of Cocoa Puffs the other day, for pete's sake.
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Old May 21, 2004, 11:34 AM   #22
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Tamara,

Like I said I wanted one of the SEBRs, but held off. I can't get to .308 bug out of my system. I am going to wait to see how the Bushy runs and wait 'till after the sunset to see if DPMS comes out w/ any reasonably priced reliable metal 20 rd mags for their LR-308.


As for as a genius move, it would have been one a few years ago. If there is a new ban then yes, but w/ the ban about to sunset who knows. People who can afford the MSRP of $1700+ would pay $20-30 bucks for a mag no problem.



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Old May 21, 2004, 05:15 PM   #23
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The magazine issue was a big factor in my trading off my AR-10. IMHO, I do not see M1A/M14 mags going down in price. The best ones are milsurp and I think there is a finite amount left.

I also despised the muzzle brake (too loud).
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Old May 21, 2004, 06:09 PM   #24
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I thought Armalite was still selling "mag adapter kits", which contain a new mag body and follower.

Given that, why not buy these kits and combine them with $15 aftermarket M14 mags for a $45 a pop? Not super cheap, but about the same as HK pistol mags.

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Old May 21, 2004, 11:48 PM   #25
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Yeah, but I don't see any new production mags being cheaper than surplus FAL mags in the near future, ban or no ban.
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