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Old October 12, 2002, 07:59 PM   #1
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.308 M2 Ball

I am shopping around for .308 M2 BALL rounds for loading .30-06, and I always thought it was a 150 gr. FMJ round. I am seeing .308 M2 BALL listed as 147 gr., 150 gr., and 152 gr. on different sites (all list as FMJ). Is the 147 gr. really FMJBT, as I have seen that before? Is there going to be a big difference between the three assuming they are all FMJ?

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Old October 12, 2002, 10:01 PM   #2
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Squirrel:

M2 Ball is 150 gr FMJ Flat based bullets used in the US military .30-06 ammuntion.

M80 Ball is 147gr FMJBT bullets used in US and NATO military 7.62x51mm ammuniton.

Both are available and somewhat interchangeable.

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Old October 12, 2002, 10:44 PM   #3
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As Fred noted above, the 147 is for .308 (7.62 X 51.) The cannelure is placed for .308, and will sit a little lower in a 30-06 case.

If you don't crimp, it doesn't matter at all.

I bought some 147 Win recently for my newest reloading project - a stock Garand. On top of 49 gr of Ramshot Tac, they're my best effort so far.
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Old October 14, 2002, 06:45 AM   #4
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Squirrel Nuts,

The 147 gr. fmjbt 7.62 slugs that Wideners sells for $63.00 a thousand DELIVERED are supposed to be from the same factory that makes that really nice FNM Portugese .308 ammo.

I've shot quite a few of them in my Garands in the last couple of years with excellent results. For best accuracy you do have to seat them a bit long in the case. The cannelure is fully exposed.

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Old October 14, 2002, 11:13 PM   #5
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Conversely, if you buy .30-06 M2 Ball bullets to load in 7.62mm NATO, you must not use the crimping groove/channelure if'n you want to load them in the magazine.

The rounds would wind up sumpin' like .05 over length and be single-load only in most, if not all, semiauto magazines.
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Old October 17, 2002, 10:08 PM   #6
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I load the 150 grain ball, the 147 grain ball, 163 grain AP, 145 grain Tracer, 168 grain Match Kings, and the 173 grain GI match ball and seat all of them to different depths to get the same OAL for all loads. That way they will function in the M-1 or a bolt rifle. I have never seen the need to crimp even for M-1 loads. A tight sized case will hold the bullet just as tight as a crimped load IMHO.

Of course the POWDER CHARGE is different in these loads!
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Old October 18, 2002, 12:39 AM   #7
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.30-06 with a properly sized case and good jacketed bullets, a totally powderless load will NOT budge the bullet out of the neck.

I did it once in rapid-fire.
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