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Old August 31, 2002, 02:39 PM   #1
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5 shots in under 1/2 second??

Winchesters ads for the Super X2 claim that
"During a recent test for Front Sight magazine, the Winchester Super X2 shotgun fired five shells in just over 1/2 of a second - .51 seconds to be exact"
This came up at the local gunshop this morning. While those present that had handled the X2 all agreed that it's a great gun, no one there (even the professional tall-tale tellers) could believe that anyone could pull and release the trigger five times that quickly. Was the test gun one modified for full auto? Winchester blowing smoke?
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Old August 31, 2002, 02:48 PM   #2
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I'd believe it, you certainly can do it with a wheeliegun or semiauto pistol as well.

I've seen a Benelli shotgun demo where they put out all 5 shots before the first shell hit the ground.
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Old August 31, 2002, 02:53 PM   #3
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I've put every shell from my Benelli Super 90 in the air at once... The new Beretta Extreema is even faster... These guns sound like very fast FULL AUTO when fired fast.

NOW... the rest of the deal is... WHO can stay on target and do anything meaningful other than close up home defense with such a rate of fire. It's fun, granted, but it doesn't get the doves.
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Old August 31, 2002, 02:56 PM   #4
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If you do the math on the cyclic rate of fire it is just under 600 rounds per minute, not all that fast compared to other guns. That is just over what the cylic rate of an M60 machine gun is, and the 60 seems pretty slow when firing it. There are people out there that can pull the trigger than fast, without a doubt. It is also possible to bump fire the X2, AMHIK, so that may be how the test was conducted. I have a 3.5" X2, and I do not feel that mine cycles that fast although I have nothing to back that up. The 3" X2 will have a shorter stroke of the bolt, so it could have a significantly faster cyclic rate than mine. As a rule I don't doubt claims like this one openly unless I can disprove them. Sooner or later I will get my hands on a 3" X2 and will bump fire it to get a better idea, and an ordinary shot timer will tell the tale in black and white.
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Old August 31, 2002, 05:07 PM   #5
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Practice²
How bout the gents that break 5 to 8 clays thrown at the same time...
With a pump.

Or the few who will break both birds of a trap house double...
With a single shot gun. Pullbangreloadbang.

Fast AND well aimed shots.

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Old August 31, 2002, 06:04 PM   #6
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Well, I'm not from Missouri but I'd have to see it to believe it.
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Old August 31, 2002, 07:40 PM   #7
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See if you can find a video of a gentleman called Tom Knapp. He does some nice quick work with Benelli shotguns.
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Old August 31, 2002, 08:14 PM   #8
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Sure, can be done, even with a slide-action. Uncle Herb was famous for doing the trick with the M12 for years.

But the questions remains--why? You are responsible for each pellet/buckshot. Other than gun rags and other GSCs who would be irresponsible enough to put unsighted rounds down range?
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Old August 31, 2002, 08:15 PM   #9
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I've seen Knapp, he's fast but 1/2 second? Count aloud: one thousand one. Divide that by two. Still got to see it to believe it, and I want to see it with a gun off the shelf.
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Old August 31, 2002, 09:14 PM   #10
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Hey guys,

Ive been browsing TFL for a while, but this is the first time I'm posting. I found some videos of Tom Knapp. Although they arent the greatest quality, they should give you an idea.

http://www.sportshooter.com/features/tom_knapp.htm

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Old August 31, 2002, 09:34 PM   #11
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Hi guitar7272, welcome to TFL! Thanks for the link!
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Old August 31, 2002, 10:17 PM   #12
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NOT A PROBLEM!

Winchester Model 12!

Just press the trigger and work the slide FAST AS HELL!
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Old September 1, 2002, 12:26 AM   #13
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Welcome Guitar...
Thanks for the link.

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Old September 1, 2002, 08:51 PM   #14
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http://www.winchester-guns.com/sx2_practical.htm

Here is the article they base the ad on. It sounds on the up and up to me. Notice the high marks the a-5 gets, some designs are timeless.
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Old September 3, 2002, 10:54 PM   #15
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If it is possible to bump fire the X2 I see no reason why this isn't doable.

From KSFreeman: "But the questions remains--why? You are responsible for each pellet/buckshot. Other than gun rags and other GSCs who would be irresponsible enough to put unsighted rounds down range?"

KS, don't you guys ever do anything just for FUN? I can shoot at rocks 300 yards away with my 1911, don't mean I'll ever do it in real life either. Maybe it is a question of range safety, but then again you could shoot a 155mm atomic canon at my range with no problem.

Seriously though, in 3 gunning competitive circles the X2 is getting a really good reputation.
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Old September 3, 2002, 11:30 PM   #16
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KS...
Some folks can hit what they want to while doin "fast n fancy" shootin.

Only unsafe if one is just blowin out ammo everywhichway.

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Old September 5, 2002, 03:58 PM   #17
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Tom Knapp threw 9 clays into the air at once, by hand, and broke each one with an individual shot from a Benelli M1 before any of them hit the ground. Now that's impressive. Perhaps more impressive, he did the same thing with 8 clays, using a Benelli pump action!
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Old September 5, 2002, 04:57 PM   #18
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From http://www.winchester-guns.com/sx2_practical.htm

"With the timer running you let loose of five rounds as fast as you can, counting the first shot as zero and totaling the remaining four split intervals. My best to date has been 56 hundredths. David amazed the small gathering at a 3 gun match in Winchester, Idaho by firing those five shots in 51 hundredths! The splits were three .13's and one .12."

Thats some pretty fast trigger pulling...
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Old September 6, 2002, 10:56 AM   #19
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The Benelli guy (or maybe a Beretta - same gun) did a demonstration at our range. He fired about seven shots and hit clay birds that he threw up with his left hand.

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Old September 6, 2002, 05:09 PM   #20
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Clays--Bbl Length?

Edited: Oops meant to start a new thread.
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Old September 6, 2002, 07:27 PM   #21
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Are you serious skunk? If you only had 3 or 4 posts such a post would be excuseable but with over 1000 me thinks you've had one too many of something that effects your brain

On the subject of this thread, I have a Browning Gold with a 28" barrel so next time I go to the gun club I think I'll give this speed shooting a try.
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Old September 6, 2002, 08:04 PM   #22
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Correia, well, some of us don't live in the hairy-chested West with canyons and such. I live in gritty, Yankee, urbane environs. If a buckshot pellet whips through a door or window, I may hurt something besides the threat. So closing eyes and emptying gun a la gun rags is not something I even consider.

Of course, if I live in a canyon where I could shoot a 155mm atomic cannon like we had in SEEL Team 37.5 or I lived in an adobe mud hut with 4 foot thick walls, I may reconsider.
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Old September 8, 2002, 12:16 PM   #23
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haha..guys..i have some good news , u brought up tom knapp, and i just started coming back to this board to browse a little, and, i noticed the other day (fri) in the outdoor section in the newspaper that Tom Knapp is coming to my sportsman's club here , i think it'll be worth my time to go out there, since we already watch his videos for different things at the club, and hopefully our shotgun shooting sports program will get something special
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