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Old August 20, 2002, 02:48 PM   #1
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How many compete in IDPA with a J-frame

I just recently completed my fourth match in IDPA, to date all I've used is a Glock 22. However, I realize that this is not the gun that I carry, I bought it for IDPA and that's all it is used for. My carry gun is an old S&W model 60 in 38 special. I've finally decided to use the j-frame even though it's going to be a severe handicap, so I'm just curious who else uses these guns in IDPA.
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Old August 20, 2002, 03:16 PM   #2
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I'm using an EAA Windicator with a 2" barell. Not quite the same thing (bigger I think) and 6-shots... but a shorty ;-)
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Old August 20, 2002, 09:49 PM   #3
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The two local IDPA clubs in the Atlanta area sometimes hold BUG only matches. I shot those matches with my 642.
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Old August 20, 2002, 09:55 PM   #4
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I use my S&W 940 in BUG IDPA matches and have used it a few times in club IDPA matches just for the practice and the fun of it.

It definitely is a lot harder to shoot fast and accurate compared to a K-frame or HiPower.
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Old August 21, 2002, 07:11 AM   #5
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I've never had much problem with the shorty and shooting IDPA, luckily the Windicator is pretty heavy (32oz I believe) so I've never had much trouble with follow ups.

And I can shoot both SSR and BUG ;-)
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Old August 21, 2002, 08:32 AM   #6
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I shot a match with a Colt Cobra once. Even with my reloads it started to slam the joint on my middle finger. My finger got sore enough that I had to stick target pasters on it to take some of the sting out.
I think my Smith 649 would do better due to the rubber boot grips, but so far no BUG matches have been held in my area.
I'm thinking of buying a two and a half inch Smith 66 which would simulate a snubby fairly well, while having six shots and decent sights.
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Old August 21, 2002, 10:09 AM   #7
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Figure I'll just buy about 4 speed loaders and a belt pouch to hold them. I'll be at a disadvantage for reloading, but I don't think that the accuracy will be too much of a problem. Aside from one incident where we engaged targets at 100 yards, most of the shooting we do is under 50 yards and I know that I can hit man size targets at that distance if I take my time.
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Old August 21, 2002, 12:18 PM   #8
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ACP230 said: "I'm thinking of buying a two and a half inch Smith 66 which would simulate a snubby fairly well, while having six shots and decent sights."

While you can shoot the 66 in BUG class, you can only load 5 rounds in the gun.
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Old August 21, 2002, 12:37 PM   #9
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Aside from one incident where we engaged targets at 100 yards, most of the shooting we do is under 50 yards
Did you perhaps mean feet?? 100yds seems a bit long for IDPA..
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Old August 21, 2002, 02:34 PM   #10
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There aren't any BUG matches here, as far as I know. I'd just shoot the short M66 in regular matches and hope the experience translates to me snubby shooting.
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Old August 21, 2002, 03:55 PM   #11
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No, this last IDPA match they held in East Grand Forks, they had a segment of the match where you engaged 3 targets at 100 yards with 12 shots. You could do it in any shooting position you wanted too. This was a difficult stage due mainly to high winds and not knowing the bullets drop at 100 yards. Most people managed to connect with the target at least a couple times, I think the best score was about 7 hits. I'm going to make a point of learning how much my bullets drop at the 100 yards in the future in case they pull that one out of their hats again.
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Old August 21, 2002, 04:04 PM   #12
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What reasonable defensive situation has you sniping people at 100yds? I guess a sniper attacking you and there's no cover to be found anywhere??
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Old August 21, 2002, 10:04 PM   #13
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I recall reading an article by Massad detailing an incident that happend in the late 70's early 80's where at least one police officer was killed and several wounded when a man with a rifle engaged them from his front porch. None of the officers present had a rifle and one officer in particular was about a hundred yards away engaged the assailant with a 1911 pistol. The man was a competition shooter who had never tried shooting a target with a pistol at 100 yards. He was holding over the mans body by a considerable ammount but never connected with any of the several shots that he fired. After the incident was over, ended by another LEO with a shotgun slug, a neat cluster of the 1911 shooters bullets were found several inches over the spot that the assailant was standing. Good shooting under a stressful situation, but just the wrong estimation for elevation. This is anything but a common situation that somebody carrying a handgun for self protection would likely find themselves in, but it probably does happen more frequently for LEO's that all to common are found undergunned in some situations. It was an interesting scenario and one that was developed during the very beginning of the IDPA competition.
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Old August 22, 2002, 07:05 AM   #14
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I suppose it's a reasonable scenario for an LEO, but.. If I was in that situation, I'm sure I could find a way to get out of the line of fire or at least get to a rifle. I have no problem firing at 100yd targets, with an appropriate pistol... my 2" CCW weapon isn't the one
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Old August 22, 2002, 10:36 AM   #15
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What happened to most shots should be kept at 3-15 yards for IDPA matches?
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Old August 22, 2002, 10:45 AM   #16
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Well, from what I can tell.. the official wording is 75% of shots in a match with the occasional COF requiring longer shots (35yard I think). Which would certainly allow for a COF with lots of long shots.

Not that I've been doing this long, but this is the first I've heard of 100yd targets.
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Old August 22, 2002, 11:20 AM   #17
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Shot one with a Mod 37 - - -

- - -and one with my Colt Agent. Had fun but didn't cover myself with glory in either match.

I think it is a very good thing to not only practice with the small carry sidearms, but to do so under match stress at least once or twice a year. It brings to mind some problems you don't see, just burning a box of ammo in a relaxed plinking or target setting.

In years past, I won a lot of Cokes and beer, shooting an old M36 at 100 and even 200 yards. It CAN be done, but it's a whole 'nother ball game.

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Old August 26, 2002, 09:03 PM   #18
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Glad to see you make it to the match Alex. There is a steel challenge match on the fourteenth, and I will be designing the courses the week after at our regular IDPA match. And I promise, no 100 yard shots, that was a bit far for me. Was not my favorite stage. Our next club match will have some fun stuff.

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Old August 27, 2002, 11:48 AM   #19
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Between work and family obligations I've missed too many of our 1st Sunday of the month IDPA matches.

We're planning a BUG sidematch soon, and I plan to use my 640 in that. Otherwise, I'm taking a snub .357 or .44 Spec to the next match to see how I do compared to my favorite Hi Power. Every match is fun, and keeps my head on straight about my abilities.
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Old September 9, 2002, 12:03 PM   #20
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If a j-frame can't shoot the stage successfully, than the stage is most likely not realistic. The weapon most used to kill police officers is still the .38 revolver.
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Old September 15, 2002, 03:33 AM   #21
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I used a 442 in a BUG match. These are usually side matches with a fairly short (10 yds) COF. Any BUG is legal. The gamers will use G26, S&W15 2",etc. The true IDPA shooters will use what they carry. We have had Tomcats, P32, Rossi 38, and a lot of j frames.
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Old September 15, 2002, 03:33 AM   #22
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I used a 442 in a BUG match. These are usually side matches with a fairly short (10 yds) COF. Any BUG is legal. The gamers will use G26, S&W15 2",etc. The true IDPA shooters will use what they carry. We have had Tomcats, P32, Rossi 38, and a lot of j frames.
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