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Old August 14, 2002, 02:08 PM   #1
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Why the HK P7 is superior to the Glock.

The HK P7 is the superior striker fired pistol.

There are three reasons for this...the three S's.

The HK P7 is Steel.

The HK P7 is Slim.

The HK P7 is Safe.

Three things the Glock falls short in.

Just my opinion...everybody has one.
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Old August 14, 2002, 02:12 PM   #2
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Sounds like another war being declared...

I have P7s & Glocks, so I'm playing it safe...
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Old August 14, 2002, 02:20 PM   #3
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Man! I love responding to threads like these...

Kind of like purposefully taking my shoes off before trying to tiptoe across hot coals without getting a heat blister on my little toes.

Nothing like a well placed and worded statement with conviction to get TFLers across the country riled up!

I own a P7 and want a G36 badly. I think the P7 is better for the aformentioned reasons, but there's a place for the Glock.....right inside my gunsafe.
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Old August 14, 2002, 02:27 PM   #4
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I own six HK P7s and fifteen Glocks. I also own three Sigs, four Walther P99s, an HK USP, a Walther P5 Compact, and a few others. Each brand/model has its own strong and weak points. Which is best is subjective. Which is best is really a factor of who is going to use it, and the intended purpose.

HK P7s are slim, compact, and have a unique safety system that is fast and simple. They also get dirtier quicker, and related to this, their gas system is somewhat sensitive to ammo. The dirtier the ammo, the more often the gas system needs cleaning. The frame, particularly around the trigger guard, gets hot after extensive shooting. Do these prevent me from buying and enjoying HK P7s? Nope. Not in the slightest.

Simply being aware of the weaknesses and how to work around them, and knowing the strengths and how to exploit them, is sound advice.
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Old August 14, 2002, 02:48 PM   #5
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The P7 also has another honor, of being Uglyer than any Glock.Few handguns can match the P-7 in the Ugly Department.But they are extreamly safe,accurate and reliable.
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Old August 14, 2002, 02:57 PM   #6
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

I think the P7 is one of the "sexiest" pistols in existence!!! I'm sure you will find many forum members who feel the same way.

The Glock isn't necessarily ugly - it's just not pretty!

(and yes, I own both!)
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Old August 14, 2002, 02:59 PM   #7
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The P7 also has another honor, of being Uglyer than any Glock.
Well...isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.
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Old August 14, 2002, 02:59 PM   #8
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"The HK P7 is Steel."
yah

"The HK P7 is Slim."
yah

"The HK P7 is Safe."
Go give a Glock and a P7 to a drunk person who's ready to raise hell (Im talking an unruley person here)

You'll notice neither is safe.

I LOVE the p7, work of art in my mind. Glock's are excellent handguns as well.

I can definitely see where you're going, Glock has no "manual" safety - P7 has the nifty squeeze cocker.

I obey the four rules, they are now a part of me - either of the above mentioned pistols is safe for me.

I think it's better to say a P7 is safer in the hands of a negligent person than a Glock. I'm not entirely sure this is true, all you have to do is grip the P7 and it's ready to go, provided the action was worked.
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Old August 14, 2002, 03:08 PM   #9
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Lunde has the right idea with this.

I love my P7, but it does have some weaknesses -- including a couple that Lunde didn't mention (like a really weak factory bluing).

Working around the weaknesses that different guns have is part of the fun.

Glocks don't float my personal boat, but I am not going to say that they are "crappy". In fact, I think that they are fine weapons -- just not for me.

As far as the P7 being ugly... I think that it is one of the sweetest pistols around. The Glock is a utilitarian tool, i.e. it lacks the curves and refinement of the P7 as far as looks are concerned, IMHO. Oh well, in the eye of the beholder I guess...
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Old August 14, 2002, 03:14 PM   #10
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To each, according to their tastes.

I would point out however, that the Glock also has a squeeze-cocker... it's called the trigger!
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Old August 14, 2002, 03:17 PM   #11
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The HK P7 is the superior striker fired pistol.
At two-and-a-half times the price, it darn well better be!



Hmmm. Lemme run check the gun cabinet... Nope, nothing going on in there; P7 and Glocks still gettin' along fine.





Addendum: Let's compare my P7 to my G29 & G30.

Weight: About the same, loaded; Glock may be an ounce or two heavier.
Length: P7 is about .25" shorter.
Width: P7 is about .25" narrower.
Height: P7 is about .5"-.75" taller.
Mag capacity/Caliber: P7 gives you 8+1 of 9x19mm; G29/30 give you 10+1 of 10mm Auto or .45 ACP, respectively.
Reliability: Both are boringly reliable.

While the P7M8 scores big points on raw swoopitude, it's hard to ignore 10+1 rounds of serious big-bore punch in such a compact, rugged and rust-resistant design as the G29/30.
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Old August 14, 2002, 03:30 PM   #12
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When I was in Europe last summer.

I noticed several Polizie in West Germany and Holland carrying the P-7.


Hey Egan, Good to hear from you.....

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Old August 14, 2002, 03:41 PM   #13
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Try to shoot 300 rounds through your P7 without wearing gloves!! Physics note: the powder gases are hot. They are fed back to run the pistol. True enough, but don't forget that metal is a excellent conductor of heat. Polymer isn't!! But, just for the record, my P5 (which is a better pistol than the P7 anyway) has the same problem!!!
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Old August 14, 2002, 04:08 PM   #14
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My (insert brand here) ROCKS!

Your (insert other brand here) SUCKS!



Both are mechanical objects that have various positives and negatives. As soon as I find the perfect gun that does everything super well, with no compromises I will let you all know. I still haven't found that .454 Casull, 30+1 capacity, recoils like a .22, fits in my pants pocket, 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards, 3 ounce, 100% reliable, great trigger, telepathic safety, auto-aiming, self cleaning, under $100, super wonder pistol.
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Old August 14, 2002, 04:38 PM   #15
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Yes, but will it feed almost any ammo reliably and safely (within SAAMI limits of course)? The Glock won't. I'm betting the P7 won't either.

Now, Tanfoglio, there's a pistol
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Old August 14, 2002, 04:50 PM   #16
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I own six HK P7s and fifteen Glocks. I also own three Sigs, four Walther P99s, an HK USP, a Walther P5 Compact, and a few others.
Geez, lunde. Too bad you don't live closer, we could be best friends. Seriously, why do have so many copies of the same guns? I really like variety in my collection (which I used to think was rather impressive, but not anymore).
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Old August 14, 2002, 05:01 PM   #17
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rock_jock,

Really, man, unless you have some kind of jealousy fetish, don't prompt him to post pictures...
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Old August 14, 2002, 05:10 PM   #18
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but I don't have to don Nomex gloves after putting 50 rounds though a Glock, them P7s get a might toasty purty quick
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Old August 14, 2002, 05:46 PM   #19
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The HK P7 is the superior striker fired pistol.

There are three reasons for this...the three S's.

The HK P7 is Steel.

The HK P7 is Slim.

The HK P7 is Safe.

Three things the Glock falls short in.
1. Steel frame. Agreed. I prefer steel to polymer. Polymer guns do not have as good balance IMO, and look like crap. Then again, I'm a stubborn and old fashioned person, and whether or not steel is better for most people is subjective (there is NO right or wrong answer).

2. I prefer a thicker gun (thick spreads out recoil better).

3. Glocks are also safe. Let me clarify: if the user is intelligent and keeps her finger off the trigger until ready to fire, there can NOT be an AD.


In conclusion, I agree with point 1 (frame material), but that is really subjective though.

I respectfully disagree on points 2 and 3. We all have different opinions of course, and I respect your opinions.
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Old August 14, 2002, 06:01 PM   #20
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Really, man, unless you have some kind of jealousy fetish, don't prompt him to post pictures
I'm not sure that many guns would fit into a single pic.
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Old August 14, 2002, 06:08 PM   #21
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Uh-oh!

I see the pics coming...
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Old August 14, 2002, 06:33 PM   #22
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"At two-and-a-half times the price, it darn well better be! "


Careful, Tamster.

I get chastised routinely for raising this comparative price-point. And some of these irritable HK lovers are from a certain State in the union where they didn't hesitate to charge unsuspecting Olympic tourists $8.00 for a bottle of beer. ( )

Tribes. Ya gotta love 'em.
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Old August 14, 2002, 07:08 PM   #23
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I have three routers, two Bosch and a Craftman. They are tools and all do a specific job.
I have two P7's that I'm very fond of, and two Glocks that I don't plan on getting rid of.
The gun world is going to be an sad place the day that HK decides to stop production of the P7.
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Old August 14, 2002, 07:26 PM   #24
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When I saw this thread I literally groaned...

But darn if this isn't the most civil discussion you could ask for. Considering the highly flamable subject.

A few less discussed items,

The P7Mx has a chamber loaded indicator. I really like this feature. I wish my Sigs had it. The PSPs lack this feature.

I prefer the Glock mag release. Of course, I liked the idea behind the non-drop free mags. You know the Glock engineers had to laugh when people started asking for a quick-release on a 17 round gun. I consider the P7's mag-release one of its' biggest flaws. I have considered having the wings of my P7 mag release machined flat.

Also, the Glock often gets kudos for having a low bore axis--the P7 has, as far as I can tell, the lowest bore-axis availible on an autoloader. I think this accounts for the "low-recoil" that some feel the P7 has. Still, they are both nice.

The P7 also has a nice 110 degree grip angle. I think most people agree that the P7 points better than the glock.


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Old August 14, 2002, 07:52 PM   #25
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I have P7s
Plural? I am sooo jealous.
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