Test planned on LAPD SWAT's new issue pistol?

Dave Williams · August 8, 2002, 03:55 PM

Hi there,

Do you guys have a test planned on LAPD SWAT's new issue pistol? That would be a cool article. I'm sure Kimber would send you the same spec'd gun to test.
Keep up the good work.

www.kimberamerica.com

Dave

**Denny Hansen** · August 8, 2002, 04:25 PM

As a matter of fact we've had one in the works for around a month. Bureaucracy hold-ups at present. Our report plans on going inside and finding out why D Platoon (aka SWAT) picked the Kimber as well as their testing protocol.

Denny

Dave Williams · August 8, 2002, 04:38 PM

Thanks for the prompt reply,

I'll be watching for it.

Also, I really liked the mindset article in the last issue, good stuff!

Dave

**Denny Hansen** · August 23, 2002, 11:53 PM

In addition to the testing protocol feature, S.W.A.T. has been able to get one of the few LAPD SWAT pistols. Now not only will we be able to report on why they selected the Kimber, we'll give it a field test of our own.

For a sneak look at the actual test pistol, click here:http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/kimber1.jpg

This photo was taken "down and dirty" in a hurry. Trust me, pics in S.W.A.T. will be much better.

Denny

Dave Williams · August 24, 2002, 01:25 AM

I want one of those!

This is an awesome forum.

Keep up the good work,

Dave

Tamara · August 29, 2002, 02:22 PM

Obviously LADP SWAT has softer hands than FBI SWAT; no he-man 20 lpi checkering for them, no sirree!

rock_jock · August 29, 2002, 05:58 PM

More prejudice against southpaws. Where's the ambi safety?

hansolo · August 30, 2002, 12:32 AM

Excuse my ignorance, but, is the pistol in photo not a single stack? If so, max 8+1 rnds.? Why wouldn't LEO's want higher cap mags? Is it because other weapons available have huge capacity of rnds(like, full-auto?) Just a wonderin'

Thanks!

Dave Williams · August 30, 2002, 08:48 AM

(I've heard) on LAPD SWAT. From pg 101 of Morrison's classic,

"The potential advantage of a high-capacity magazine seems questionable since most confrontations occur at close range, with good-sized targets, and are short in duration. If one makes proper hits, the situation will more than likely be handled with the cartridges in a single magazine."

I read on the net someone's training report in which they trained with some guys from LAPD SWAT, and supposedly they quoted chapter and verse from this book(which is a textbook on what is/was taught at Gunsite/API). I think some of their senior people were Gunsite/API instructors/students? There's some Gunsite knowledgeable people on this board, anyone know?

And I'm sure their armorer could throw on an Ambi for the lefties if need be.

Tamara, a local shop has the PRO model in at 2295. I almost sold my car to get it before common sense took over :-)

Dave

Erick Gelhaus · August 30, 2002, 09:13 AM

A couple things...

The pistol is primarily a secondary weapon in their context - they'll transition to it, should their shoulder weapon fail. However, D Plt (SWAT) does regularly work in "normal" uniform on patrol.

As for embracing the Modern Technique - Yes, they enthusiatically do. In many minds, a better system has not been found.

Erick

Dave Williams · August 30, 2002, 10:23 AM

Good information.

Dave

August 8, 2002, 03:55 PM	#1
Dave Williams Member Join Date: January 2, 1999 Location: Euclid,OH,USA Posts: 78	Test planned on LAPD SWAT's new issue pistol? Hi there, Do you guys have a test planned on LAPD SWAT's new issue pistol? That would be a cool article. I'm sure Kimber would send you the same spec'd gun to test. Keep up the good work. www.kimberamerica.com Dave

August 8, 2002, 04:25 PM	#2
Denny Hansen Staff Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,342	As a matter of fact we've had one in the works for around a month. Bureaucracy hold-ups at present. Our report plans on going inside and finding out why D Platoon (aka SWAT) picked the Kimber as well as their testing protocol. Denny __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

August 8, 2002, 04:38 PM	#3
Dave Williams Member Join Date: January 2, 1999 Location: Euclid,OH,USA Posts: 78	Man you are on top of things! Thanks for the prompt reply, I'll be watching for it. Also, I really liked the mindset article in the last issue, good stuff! Dave

August 23, 2002, 11:53 PM	#4
Denny Hansen Staff Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,342	Update In addition to the testing protocol feature, S.W.A.T. has been able to get one of the few LAPD SWAT pistols. Now not only will we be able to report on why they selected the Kimber, we'll give it a field test of our own. For a sneak look at the actual test pistol, click here:http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/kimber1.jpg This photo was taken "down and dirty" in a hurry. Trust me, pics in S.W.A.T. will be much better. Denny __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

August 24, 2002, 01:25 AM	#5
Dave Williams Member Join Date: January 2, 1999 Location: Euclid,OH,USA Posts: 78	Denny, VERY COOL I want one of those! This is an awesome forum. Keep up the good work, Dave

August 29, 2002, 02:22 PM	#6
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 15,858	Obviously LADP SWAT has softer hands than FBI SWAT; no he-man 20 lpi checkering for them, no sirree! __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

August 29, 2002, 05:58 PM	#7
rock_jock Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2000 Location: SE Texas Posts: 1,781	More prejudice against southpaws. Where's the ambi safety?

August 30, 2002, 12:32 AM	#8
hansolo Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2002 Location: Desert Hot Springs, CA Posts: 503	LAPD Kimber Excuse my ignorance, but, is the pistol in photo not a single stack? If so, max 8+1 rnds.? Why wouldn't LEO's want higher cap mags? Is it because other weapons available have huge capacity of rnds(like, full-auto?) Just a wonderin' Thanks! __________________ PROUD TFL ALUMNUS MOLON LABE!

August 30, 2002, 08:48 AM	#9
Dave Williams Member Join Date: January 2, 1999 Location: Euclid,OH,USA Posts: 78	They embrace "The Modern Technique Of The Pistol" (I've heard) on LAPD SWAT. From pg 101 of Morrison's classic, "The potential advantage of a high-capacity magazine seems questionable since most confrontations occur at close range, with good-sized targets, and are short in duration. If one makes proper hits, the situation will more than likely be handled with the cartridges in a single magazine." I read on the net someone's training report in which they trained with some guys from LAPD SWAT, and supposedly they quoted chapter and verse from this book(which is a textbook on what is/was taught at Gunsite/API). I think some of their senior people were Gunsite/API instructors/students? There's some Gunsite knowledgeable people on this board, anyone know? And I'm sure their armorer could throw on an Ambi for the lefties if need be. Tamara, a local shop has the PRO model in at 2295. I almost sold my car to get it before common sense took over :-) Dave

August 30, 2002, 09:13 AM	#10
Erick Gelhaus Staff Emeritus Join Date: October 28, 1998 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,750	A couple things... The pistol is primarily a secondary weapon in their context - they'll transition to it, should their shoulder weapon fail. However, D Plt (SWAT) does regularly work in "normal" uniform on patrol. As for embracing the Modern Technique - Yes, they enthusiatically do. In many minds, a better system has not been found. Erick

August 30, 2002, 10:23 AM	#11
Dave Williams Member Join Date: January 2, 1999 Location: Euclid,OH,USA Posts: 78	Thanks Erick Good information. Dave