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Old August 11, 2002, 10:40 PM   #1
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Loading Manuals

Why do you recommend two or more manuals?

Extra resource?
Verifiying loads?

Are you aware of any manuals that have incorrect or inadequate data on a particular load?

Feel free to add anything.


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Old August 11, 2002, 10:47 PM   #2
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Extra resource?
Verifiying loads?


Yes.

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Old August 11, 2002, 11:04 PM   #3
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You can't have too many. You do have to read them, though...
Commend "The ABC's of Reloading" to your attention. No load data, lots of "how"...
Each manual has a "how" section, you oughta read three, at least, before buying anything else.
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Old August 12, 2002, 07:27 AM   #4
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Earl Naramore's Principles and Practice of Loading Ammunition, Samworth, 1954 is the best single book on ammunition I have seen. There are about 500 pages dealing with how and why components are made the way they are, followed by about 300 pages of how best to load ammunition. Naramore was quite well qualified: he worked for Lyman prior to WWII, and was in charge of several ammunition testing programs during the war.

Some information concerning primers is dated: non corrosive, non mercuric primers were neither uniform nor standardized at the time this was written.

This book is out of print, but well worth the effort it will take to find.

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Old August 12, 2002, 08:37 AM   #5
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I have pretty much all the manuals out there. I end up using one or two. I really like the free pamphlets published by the powder companies. They have the newest powders in them.
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Old August 12, 2002, 09:20 AM   #6
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Second Sourcing Load Information

I had been doing it almost as long I've been reloading--Checking one manual against another. Our own member, the esteemed, the venerable, the laconic, C.R.Sam, taught me the use of the verb phrase, "to second source," for this practice. As in, "You should second source that data, sonny boy."

There is always a possibility, however slight, of a misprint or an out and out error in a given manual. Or, a particular compiler may well be honestly reporting HIS data, but his instrumentation might have been off on a particular day.

I can recite, from memory, good, safe, load information for dozens of cartridges or variations thereof. But except for a very few old stand-by formulae, I won't put 'em out for others without checking my notes, or at least a manual or two, to verify that they are within normal limits. And, you know what? I do not resent in the slightest when someone takes my load tips and cross references them in his/her books. I applaud such care and caution.

Like Jeeper, I rgularly take advantage of the manufacturers' hand out pamphlets. Every handloader should look at the freeby rack in the gun shops, to see if Alliant or IMR or whomever have sent out new booklets. I like to keep back issues, too, just in case a particular powder or bullet is discontinued and I happen to have a stock on hand.

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Old August 12, 2002, 09:46 AM   #7
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Nuther great addition to any library.

Complete Guide To Handloading.....Phill Sharpe. First print in late 30s, reprinted and updated into the late 40s or so.

NOT outdated except for a few cartridges which have come since.

Tremendous wealth of information from manufacture of componants to field AND lab testing.

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Old August 12, 2002, 10:41 AM   #8
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You simply cannot have too much reloading data nor

sources for same. I have an entire bookcase devoted to loading data. I never check less than five sources when looking for data, NEVER!
Buy every old manual you can lay hands upon and update yearly with data from the bullet and propellent manufacturers.
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Old August 12, 2002, 10:45 AM   #9
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And always start at the "minimum/start" load. Every firearm is different, and yours may not like the "hot" loads.

Also, I bought one of those Midway load books for the .45 ACP, and the thing scares me - It's figuring on OALs that I can't reach with my mil-spec barrels, and it isn't shy on adding powder...
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Old August 12, 2002, 11:41 AM   #10
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Helps to read ALL the text in them too.
Many don't.

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Old August 12, 2002, 08:44 PM   #11
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MORE DATA

Means you don't have to make stuff up.

Frankly, you can get by with one book, if you KNOW what you're doing AND have experience AND have a chrono AND more common sense than some one like me.
And spare guns.

IMNSLE you can't have too much data.

(two thoughts: "...but not always..." and "...in your gun...")
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Old August 13, 2002, 05:59 AM   #12
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Besides the good practice of "second sourceing", having several books has another advantage. When looking at loads for a cartridge new to you, multiple books can tell you the best powder for the job. When one book says powder A gives the best velocity, it is probably a good powder for that round. When three books say powder B gives the best velocity or within a few FPS of it, then it IS a good powder for that round.
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Old August 13, 2002, 06:29 AM   #13
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I use the manufacturers handouts, plus the powder and bullet manufacturers. Lyman's 46th edition gives good information for the beginner and the how-to's, plus goes over the basics as to what you will need to start up rolling your own.
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