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Old June 19, 2002, 07:12 AM   #1
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Any pump actions available that do not require a trigger pull each time?

Which pump action shotguns allow the trigger to be held back and have the firing of each shell be controlled by the pump action?

So, instead of pump, pull trigger, bang, pump, pull trigger, bang.... you pull the trigger and hold it back the entire time, pump , bang, pump, bang....

I thought to have seen this, but only available to military and/or police.

Does these exist and are they available?
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Old June 19, 2002, 07:34 AM   #2
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The old Winchester 1890 and its update, the model 62, could be fired this way - very, very fast. Maybe some of the model 62 clones that are still on the market share this ability. Probably some of the early pump shotguns also, but I have no personal experience with them.
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Old June 19, 2002, 09:05 AM   #3
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Winchester M97s, old M12s and old Ithaca M37s lack disconnectors and will fire on every pump stroke if the trigger is held back. Later models had disconnectors for safety, or at least company liability. I don't see a use for it, myself.
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Old June 19, 2002, 09:38 AM   #4
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My 37 will do that, but it has no practical value. I also suspect that it's hard on the gun.

If you want to speed things up, it's called semi-auto...
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Old June 19, 2002, 02:30 PM   #5
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It's not really hard on the gun, but it can be kind of hard on you...

I believe Remington Model 10s were this way, as were most of the older Savage/Stevens pump guns.

Come to think of it, I THINK my Smith & Wesson 3000 will also do this. I'll have to check when I get home this evening.
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Old June 19, 2002, 02:52 PM   #6
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Who needs it, with practice anyone can keep up with a semi auto. Trick is to stop thinking about trigger pull and racking as seperate motions, they should be one motion.

Load your shotgun, aim in and rack the action. Slightly start to pull back on the slide right before you pull the trigger, the idea is not to mess up your aim but at the same time assist the natural action of the pump to the rear after firing. When you fire the pump should go all the way back. Now as soon as you feel the slide stop ram your hand straight forward again, the shotgun will still be angled up from the recoil at this time, when you push your hand at the target it will pull the gun back down and on target. You need to practice this until you equate pulling the trigger and racking the slide as a single action to do every time you fire. You should find yourself racking the slide even if you know you are only firing one round at a time.

To see how it works try this, aim your shotgun down range, take your hand off the pump and fire one handed, the pump will slide back a little on many guns. This is the force your are assisting to rack the gun.

Currently I can fire 6 rounds in about 2 or 3 seconds depending on the load (target or buck/slug). Many people can not fire a semi accuritly at this speed. I had lots of practice in the Marine Corps so do not expect to be doing this over night. Oh, I am not a very big guy, only 5'6".
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Old June 20, 2002, 05:21 AM   #7
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No practical value. A decent hand with an 870 or 37 can get followup shots faster than many folks with autos, especially non gas guns.

And GunGeek, that's a very good explanation, thanks.

Decades ago, the great Herb Parsons used to hit 7 handthrown clays with his Model 12 by "Holding down the trigger and pumping like H*ll". Recently Tom Knapp did the same with a Benelli with a disconnector.

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Old June 20, 2002, 07:52 AM   #8
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In paintball, that feature on a pump gun is called an "Auto-Trigger" as was mentioned, my Ithaca 37 featherweight will do this... so does dad's Winchester 97... but the question remains...

WHY? you suffer bad accuracy loss and poor follow up shot control... what need do you have for this feature?
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Old June 20, 2002, 09:09 AM   #9
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"what need do you have for this feature?"

Fun.
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Old June 20, 2002, 09:26 AM   #10
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WHY? you suffer bad accuracy loss and poor follow up shot control... what need do you have for this feature?


Why should there be a 'need' for a particular feature?

This is the same rationale that BATF uses for banning from importation certain firearms, because of 'no sporting uses'.
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