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Old June 12, 2002, 01:53 PM   #1
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"Ghost Ring" sights on handguns?

Here's a thought. Many agree that apreture sights are better than standard leaf or notch sights on rifles. The larger the aperature, the faster the target acquistion (at the expense of accuracy).

Handgun sights are basically the same as AK-47 sights. Line up the front sight post in the rear sight notch and fire.

Would a large aperature ghost ring sight be a viable choice on a handgun? I think the aperature would have to be somewhat large, given the distance from the eye that handguns are typically held. But, if done properly, could this be a very viable sight choice on a combat handgun? If not, why not?
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Old June 12, 2002, 02:15 PM   #2
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A buddy of mine has a Tokarev with ghost ring sights on it.

I'm sure theres others.
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Old June 12, 2002, 03:12 PM   #3
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Old June 12, 2002, 03:17 PM   #4
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This has been done many times in the past. I believe a company called Aro-tek used to even make them for Glocks. The problem with this setup is one of focus. When shooting a ghost ring mounted on a rifle, the ring "disappears" as you naturally focus on the front sight and center it in the large aperture. The ring disappears because on a long gun the aperture is close to your eye. This advantage is negated on a handgun since the aperture is no longer close to your eye. So what you get is a sight that will be no faster or easier to use than a standard setup.
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Old June 12, 2002, 03:53 PM   #5
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Works great.
Specially with old eyes.
Easy to make.

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Old June 12, 2002, 04:56 PM   #6
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Aro-tek still makes ghost ring sights. For some people they are easier and quicker to acquire. Your eye will center the front sight in the hole just fine. I have apperature sights on my Glock 36 and my blackhawk I will not go back to standard sights. Try them sometime you might like them.
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Old June 12, 2002, 05:17 PM   #7
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I had ghost ring night sites on a Glock. Liked the sights, not so much the gun, so its gone. They worked fine for pickup, but definitely not for target work.
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Old June 12, 2002, 06:00 PM   #8
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my friend has the aerteks on his Glock 24P.
He loves them, especially for gun games.
Takes me a few shots to get used to it...like them for bowling pin shoots....kinda "feels" (or should I say "Looks") like a dot sight...

I personally don't have any plans to get any...He had trouble with them snagging during draws at an informal IDPA match.
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Old June 12, 2002, 07:41 PM   #9
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Well, YMMV, but my vote goes against these ring sights, even though I haven't tried them on a pistol. But I did on an SKS carbine, which puts the rear sight at about the same distance from the eye as a pistol sight would. Boy was I disappointed! After many accurate rounds (the older I get, the better I was!) from rifles with "peep" sights, both target and battle versions, I found that the same sort of circle farther from the eye just didn't work. For me. I couldn't center the front sight in that circle, with any consistency. This was with a USMC approved cheek-weld, which you would have to really work at when using a pistol!

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Old June 12, 2002, 07:52 PM   #10
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I had Arotek ghost ring sights on my Glock 19 for awhile, with a green fiber optic front sight. I finally decided I didn't like them that well and replaced them with conventional 3-dot sights. At an indoor range there wasn't enough light to illuminate the green dot, so it just looked black, and it was hard to center it in the ghost ring. There also was a lot of border between the ring and the front sight, making it difficult to center. Finally, the ghost ring stuck up much further from the gun than conventional sights, which looked funny.
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Old June 12, 2002, 08:19 PM   #11
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I've tried a glock with ghost-ring sights.

I didn't hate it nearly as much as I thought I would. It was quite functional, but still wasn't "right" IMO.

I wouldn't feel handicapped with a gun so equipped, but wouldn't do it to any of mine.
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Old June 12, 2002, 08:33 PM   #12
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Ol' timers seem to like ghost rings more, perhaps due to far-sightedness.

Whether they work or not, ghost rings get complaints because they can be fragile. I think Arotek are pretty solid, but the One Ragged Hole looks flimsy.

Probably good for IDPA/IPSC type usage, maybe not as good for real world.
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Old June 13, 2002, 01:41 PM   #13
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Ghost Ring tritium sites for several different pistols....

Entreprise Arms

I've considered putting one on my USP, but I think I like the Ashley Express standard dot better...
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Old June 13, 2002, 07:21 PM   #14
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To further illustrate my point, try this simple exercise: Take your strong hand and make a ring with it and take your off hand and make a "front sight" with one of your fingers. First, take the "ghost ring" and put it close to your eye, similar to a rifle. And then take your "front sight" and put it further out, similar to a rifle. You'll notice that the "ghost ring" naturally disappears and you can see your finger clearly. Now do the same, only using the sight radius and eye relief that you would have on a pistol. You'll notice that the "ghost ring" no longer naturally disappears, one must make an effort to focus on the "front sight". This is why I believe ghost rings THEORETICALLY offer no advantage over regular sights. But if they work for you, more power to ya
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Old June 13, 2002, 07:30 PM   #15
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If I am not mistaken Hansen and Awerbuck have Ghost Rings on thier Glocks-----



I have one ragged hole on my Ruger .22 auto. It is way cool and shoots very fast. One of my friends who cannot see well can use it very well.
worth looking into (!)
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Old June 13, 2002, 07:45 PM   #16
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CWL,

"Probably good for IDPA/IPSC type usage, maybe not as good for real world."

Ghost ring sights are not allowed in IDPA competition.
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Old June 13, 2002, 07:53 PM   #17
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Here's an interesting thought...

Take any of the typical "combat" ghost ring setups with a fairly large apeture, and make a small kydex clip-on cover for it drilled with a smaller apeture "peep sight" for those times when you need long-range accuracy. Most of the time, leave it off. If you need to take a 100yard shot take out the smaller apeture, clip it on, .

Should be easy enough to make - cut a bit of kydex 3/4" long and about 1/2" wide or whatever, it'll vary by the sight, heat the kydex, fold it over the sight and pinch it with gloves on. Then drill.
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Old June 14, 2002, 06:56 AM   #18
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I have the "one ragged hole" sight adapted to the adjustable sight on my Dan Wesson .357...

WHATTA sight it is... total sweetness...

so, YES, Nightcrawler, ghost-ring aperatures work on handguns!
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Old June 15, 2002, 06:15 AM   #19
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OLD (but nearsighted)

My 1911 (Caspian, of course) has a Caspian ghost-ring blade in a BoMar base, with a smaller-rod optic-fiber front.
This is my preferred carry gun, but also used for IPSC.

I found the front rod size affected accuracy more. The ghost ring is exactly that; it 'disappears'.

I think my ultimate sighting arraignment may be (not sure yet, go through more sights than holsters!) a Millett orange-ramp front blade with a big-notch MMC adjustable rear.

My jury is still out on night sights.
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