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Old May 1, 2002, 02:24 PM   #1
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.260 Remington vs .308 Winchester

I have a choice between a .260 and a .308.

In hunting situations is there anything that the .308 Winchester can do that the .260 Remington can't?

Thanks for the input.

ps. What would you consider the bare minimum for bull elk?
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Old May 1, 2002, 05:01 PM   #2
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the .308 can burn a lot more powder for the same velocity as the .260 and can heave a heavier bullet without increasing knockdown power (resaults from the field, not book/calculator stuff). the .308 slug will also lose stability at extended distances before the 6.5mm.

the .260 is the modern reincarnation of the 6.5x55mm...which is the nordic equivalent to the .308...and is used to hunt everything up to "moose"...which i understand is what we call "elk"
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Old May 1, 2002, 05:59 PM   #3
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I have a fetish for the 260, but isn't mainstream. The 7mm-08 packs more punch with almost the same recoil. For medium game such as deer and smaller, 260 should be great. Anything larger I'd opt for the 308 with heavy bullets. If you like to shoot and don't reload, you can buy inexpensive NATO ammo cheap for the 308.

My father-in-law has a 243 that he doesn't hunt with any more. I told him to let me know if we wants to sell it. I'd have it rebarreled to 260. This would be a pet project and I already own a 30-06AI, 45/70 and 308. I wouldn't ming sonething lighter. He cleans his guns once in a while and I doubt the barrel is in good shape.
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Old May 1, 2002, 06:42 PM   #4
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a 308 will reliably kill an elk... a .260 will need very good shot placement to do it... (I have both, and have used them extensively, and will not haul the .260 elk hunting, though the one time I did, it dropped the elk like a brick!)
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Old May 1, 2002, 08:06 PM   #5
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The .308 has an exceptional record in the accuracy department and should make a better round for bigger game due to the larger bullet.
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Old May 2, 2002, 11:31 AM   #6
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The problem I have is that I can get a Stainless Abolt in .260 for less than I can get a Blued Abolt in .308.

I figured if they were similar enough in the field I would just get the .260.

Maybe I should just get another caliber all together.

Elk would be my largest target.

Opinions?
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Old May 2, 2002, 01:53 PM   #7
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Rare gun, I say go for it

Stainless A-bolt in 260 rem? I'd snap it up. Very few of those were made.

I have a .260 and I love it because I shoot a lot of paper and the recoil is 30% less than a .308.

But, if you're really gunning for elk, get the .308, or better yet a 30-06.

What the .260 will do brilliantly is launch 120 grainers at 3000 fps. My gun, with 1:8 twist, shoots the SMK 120s and Nosler 120s in the 2s.

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Old May 2, 2002, 10:25 PM   #8
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Quote:
and will not haul the .260 elk hunting, though the one time I did, it dropped the elk like a brick!)
I like this quote for two reasons:

1. It sums up the American shooter in just a few words. Always use more gun for any job than you need even when you know for a fact (as from personal experience) that it's more gun than you need.

2. I've heard a lot of .260 and 6.5x55 shooters say something similar. Something to the effect that this cartridge is way more effective on game than the numbers say it should be. The .260 and 6.5x55(traditional loading) are identical ballistically.

I guess that's why the 6.5x55 has been around 108 years and is still popular.

BTW, if you do plan to hunt big stuff with either of these two guns use a 140 grain or heavier bullet.

The .260 will definitely work well on anything you're likely to shoot in North America. I don't think I'd recommend it for the big bears or for bison, but then I don't think I'd recommend the .308 for that either.

Good shooting,

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Old May 2, 2002, 10:52 PM   #9
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6.5x55 or .260 Remington

Ballistic twins. I say it is the most efficient
cartridge available for todays components.

In my book a .270 in disguise.

Awesome killer with 125 or 140 grain Partitions
loaded hot. Great downrange ballistics.

Theoretically better Elk cartridges, but I doubt
if you would have a problem with it. The
Scandinavians kill mucho moose with a 6.5x55
every year.

I just love it.

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Old May 3, 2002, 11:24 AM   #10
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I used to have the bigger is better syndrome as well. Started with a .308 and went to a .300 Mag as well as a 45-70. Now that I shoot alot less than I used to I have started going the other way. After comparing how well I shoot a .22 rifle compared to my groups with a higher powered rifle I have decided to go with the minimal effective cartridge and learn to shoot it well.

So I am thinking get the Browning .260 and top it with a nice Leupold 4x fixed power scope and use it for most anything. (I have also decided to get away from the huge light gathering scopes that I seem to whack on everything and weigh down my rifle)

What do you think?
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Old May 3, 2002, 11:49 AM   #11
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DoctorXring,

Not quite a .270 in disguise. Looking at the newest Barnes manual, the .260 gets spanked across the board by the .270, in any bullet weight.

But, is there a practical difference on game? Probably not much.
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Old May 3, 2002, 02:27 PM   #12
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.260 vs 6.5x55

Brian,

Don't know if it's available in a browning, but you might take a look at the 6.5x55. More factory loads available, and there is excellent Lapua brass at reasonable prices. The real reason is a little more case capacity. If you handload you can have the chamber reamed for 6.5x55 AI, and beat most 260 rem velocities by about 200fps.

That said, I can drive 130s to about 2800 without much difficulty. The extra 200 fps would just give you a little flatter trajectory. Both rounds are good. I make my .260 rem brass from Lapua .243. It is a simple one-stage process necking up with an expander mandrel.

I've found the Lapua is so consistent I don't even have to trim the cases after necking up. The gun has basically put bullet/load combo I've tried under .6" for five and it shoots the 120s in the 2s for three shots.

One nice thing about the .260, it doesn't seem to be real finicky about loads... both slow and fast work well.
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Old May 3, 2002, 11:13 PM   #13
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Something about the 6.5 mm bullet fascinates me....yet it seems it is somewhat of a "blacksheep" among the mainstream gun people. Did they not use a 6.5 mm in Africa long ago, to take everything with? I believe the sectional density of the 6.5 is very high, allowing it to penetrate harder and farther than one might believe possible. I am seriously contemplating get a rifle built to a .264 WSM....the numbers on this round look so damn sweet.
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Old May 3, 2002, 11:16 PM   #14
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.260 spanked by a .270 ?

perhaps tapped on the shoulder.



I know what you mean. Case capacity
and bullet diameter favor the .270 a
little. But I have seen no difference in
the field. I had a frontal shot on a big
whitetail a few years ago and took him
at 275 yards with a 140gr Nosler Partition.
Shot through him stem to stern. Piled him
up like hit with a freight train. I hunted
with nothing but a .270 for years. Started
with the 6.5x55 about 10 years ago and
have had just fabulous performance from
it. Like you said, no practical difference.
Especially at past 250. Those high BC's
and SD's really pay off here.

dxr

P.S. you can load a .260 or 6x5x55 to the
same pressures as a .270 if you want to.
.270 is really a "magnum" cartridge with
no belt. SAAMI 55,000 PSI factory loading.
Then the line gets pretty thin between these.
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Old May 3, 2002, 11:19 PM   #15
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YO,what is the 6.5x55A1?
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Old May 3, 2002, 11:23 PM   #16
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AI=Ackley Improved.
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Old May 5, 2002, 04:52 PM   #17
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stonesheep - i believe you are thinking about the .257 rigby that was used for culling elephants using full metal jacketed/solid slugs by a GWH who's name escapes me at the moment...brain fade ...this was back in the days when you could walk among the herds
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Old May 5, 2002, 05:08 PM   #18
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Karamojo Bell used a 7 x 57; that who you're thinking of?
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Old May 5, 2002, 05:28 PM   #19
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you're right, my bad...the english caall that the .276 rigby...dammed english
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Old May 5, 2002, 05:53 PM   #20
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And to further muddy the water, the venerable 6.5/06 is a wonderful cartridge. It will easily push a 120 grain boattail at over 3300 fps. If you like heavier bullets for larger game, try the 140 grain at 3150, or even the 150 grain at 2975 fps. If you want to go after the little critters, try the 87 grain at over 3600 fps. Now try THAT with your .260 Remington. !

The European 6.5x68 is another screamer.
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Old May 5, 2002, 08:18 PM   #21
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The .308 can be boughtin most any store from a large sporting goods store to a gas station in the more remote parts of the country. The .260 might be found in some of the sporting goods stores but I haven't seen it in any of the convience stores and gas stations anyplace. Might not be an issue if you make sure that you bring plenty along on your trip but the best ballistics in the world don't mean a thing when you spot the 30-point buck and you have an empty rifle. But performance wise, I have no experience with the .260 so I wouldn't want to comment on it's performance.
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Old May 5, 2002, 10:48 PM   #22
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Chris,9mmepiphany, Stonesheep,

Walter Dalrymple Bell, known as Karamojo, was fond of the 7x57 but also used several other rifles including the Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55 to take various game up to elephants. He was probably using the 160 grain round nose load which is a phenomenal penetrator.

While it shows the raw capability of the round, I don't think it's quite fair to use anything Bell did as an example of what can be accomplished by the average shooter.

Bell was an incredible shot and was known for being able to consistently take birds on the wing using a rifle.

Good shooting,

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Old May 7, 2002, 10:13 PM   #23
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The .308 Win is one of the worlds finest and most popular game, target and military cartridges. The 260 rem is a marketing trick to sell one more rifle to the same type of person who bought the .25 Remington, 6.5 Rem mag, 25/35, 250 savage, 257 Rob etc and all the other similar and limited use cartridges.

Go ahead a buy a 260. When it fails to do the job don't expect to get much for it used. I for one will not make an offer.
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Old May 8, 2002, 04:46 PM   #24
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It can also be said that: "The [6.5x55] is one of the worlds finest and most popular game, target and military cartridges."

The Rem 260 can duplicates the velocity, accuracy, and light recoil of the 6.5x55. It uses the same high BC bullets, burns less powder, and shoots everything from 95 grains to 160 grains with exceptional accuracy. It is a preferred caliber for silhouette and across the course competition, and it is also superior to the .308 for 1000 yd competition. (It stays supersonic longer, drifts less in the wind, and carries more energy past 700m)

The caliber is also virtually exactly in the middle between .223 and .308. To me that is compelling reason for its adoption as a single military round replacing both.

No nock on the .308. It is a fine hunting cartridge, though I prefer 7-08.

Why the 6.5-08? I can't think of another cartridge that is more versatile in the combined role of target shooting and hunting for most North American species.
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I guess you could say that the .260 is a marketing trick.

It's a marketing trick that combines some of the best features of the premium European target round (the 6.5x55) with many of the advantages of the premium U.S. target round (the .308) by necking down the .308 cartridge to take 6.5mm bullets.

If there's a downside here, I'm not sure what it is...a short action cartridge that outperforms the long 6.5x55. All of the legendary game getting capability of the 6.5x55 (in Europe anyway) with the accuracy of both cartridges.

Comments about the .260's lack of performance on game animals are not borne out by the results in the field.

There is nothing that I would shoot with a .308 that I wouldn't feel very comfortable shooting with a .260. In fact, the .260 can be loaded to have a considerable penetration edge over the .308 when that is called for by employing the 160 grain bullets.
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