Can somebody explain "Cutting the pie"?

Morglan · April 4, 2002, 11:20 AM

I've heard/read this expression many times in relation to how to approach/round corners. Can someone describe this process? Thanks!

sigmund · April 4, 2002, 12:42 PM

The more common term is "slicing the pie". If you do a search on that phrase (click the Search button on the top right of the page), you will find dozens of threads describing and discussing it.

dawg23 · April 4, 2002, 01:15 PM

Not to be confused with "cutting the cheese."

Erick Gelhaus · April 6, 2002, 02:31 AM

Morglan-
Did you find the answers you were looking for?

Erick

Coronach · April 6, 2002, 12:03 PM

When approaching a corner, one does not just walk around it, or poke one's head around it. One steps back a ways, so as to be 'going wide' around the corner, and proceeds very slowly, inching around and looking for target indicators (body parts, weapons, shadows, smells, sounds) in the region to be entered. It is called slicing the pie (I think) because if you treat the corner as the fixed point at the center of a circle and you treat your path around the corner as a trip around a circle's circumference, your action is proceeding forward is like taking a slice out of a pie.

Clear as mud?

Mike

C.R.Sam · April 6, 2002, 07:37 PM

Mikes explanation clear as pie to me.

Doin it that way cuts down on the suprises one can find by approaching from close to the wall and just popping into the next range of view.

Apex your corners when racin, keep track when walkin.

Situational awareness and all that.

Sam

Sierra1 · April 7, 2002, 01:19 AM

Slicing the pie is maximizing your distance from a corner while minimizing your exposure to a potential threat. While using this technique to clear rooms you will be able to literally see an assailant before he/she can see you. It is highly effective.

Double Naught Spy · April 7, 2002, 10:57 AM

While not directly gun or doorway related, but conceptually, there is a neat graphic in the original Star Wars movie that shows the Death Star (or whatever it was called), coming around the planet and on the command consoles, you could see pie slices being add as it came around, the slices showing the additional new territory it could shoot until finally one of those pieces of pie is displayed over the intended target.

With people and doors or corners, it is more complicated than that, but the movie should give you a good working visual concept referencd.

Coronach · April 7, 2002, 11:48 AM

That, actually, is an excellent visual. I had never thought of it before, but as soon as your emntioned it, i knew exactly the scene you're talking about.

The important point is you don't just blunder around a corner like you're going on a Sunday stroll.

Mike

Erick Gelhaus · April 7, 2002, 01:01 PM

Double-

Can we get a license to quote you when teaching? I like that analogy!

Erick

Morglan · April 8, 2002, 11:39 AM

Thanks all!

DNS--that really was a great analogy!

Zundfolge · April 8, 2002, 12:54 PM

For all you FPS players, "Slicing the pie" is basically circle strafing around corners.

Double Naught Spy · April 8, 2002, 06:40 PM

So does this one attaboy make up for several of my previous cruddy analogies that didn't work for anyone but me?

For future reference and citation, just call it the Double Naught Spy Star Wars Death Star Slicing the Pie Analogy, or DNSSWDSSPA for short. That should keep everything perfectly clear.

April 4, 2002, 11:20 AM	#1
Morglan Member Join Date: August 16, 2001 Posts: 33	Can somebody explain "Cutting the pie"? I've heard/read this expression many times in relation to how to approach/round corners. Can someone describe this process? Thanks!

April 4, 2002, 12:42 PM	#2
sigmund Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2000 Location: Urbandale, Iowa Posts: 346	The more common term is "slicing the pie". If you do a search on that phrase (click the Search button on the top right of the page), you will find dozens of threads describing and discussing it. __________________ If you find yourself in a fair fight, you have not prepared properly.

April 4, 2002, 01:15 PM	#3
dawg23 Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2001 Location: Louisiana Posts: 379	Not to be confused with "cutting the cheese." __________________ . www.PersonalDefenseTraining.net

April 6, 2002, 12:03 PM	#5
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,150	Quick explaination: When approaching a corner, one does not just walk around it, or poke one's head around it. One steps back a ways, so as to be 'going wide' around the corner, and proceeds very slowly, inching around and looking for target indicators (body parts, weapons, shadows, smells, sounds) in the region to be entered. It is called slicing the pie (I think) because if you treat the corner as the fixed point at the center of a circle and you treat your path around the corner as a trip around a circle's circumference, your action is proceeding forward is like taking a slice out of a pie. Clear as mud? Mike __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

April 7, 2002, 01:19 AM	#7
Sierra1 Member Join Date: February 16, 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 55	maximize to minimize Slicing the pie is maximizing your distance from a corner while minimizing your exposure to a potential threat. While using this technique to clear rooms you will be able to literally see an assailant before he/she can see you. It is highly effective.

April 6, 2002, 02:31 AM	#4
Erick Gelhaus Staff Emeritus Join Date: October 28, 1998 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,750	Morglan- Did you find the answers you were looking for? Erick

April 6, 2002, 07:37 PM	#6
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,864	Mikes explanation clear as pie to me. Doin it that way cuts down on the suprises one can find by approaching from close to the wall and just popping into the next range of view. Apex your corners when racin, keep track when walkin. Situational awareness and all that. Sam

April 7, 2002, 10:57 AM	#8
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague County, Texas Posts: 9,730	While not directly gun or doorway related, but conceptually, there is a neat graphic in the original Star Wars movie that shows the Death Star (or whatever it was called), coming around the planet and on the command consoles, you could see pie slices being add as it came around, the slices showing the additional new territory it could shoot until finally one of those pieces of pie is displayed over the intended target. With people and doors or corners, it is more complicated than that, but the movie should give you a good working visual concept referencd. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011

April 7, 2002, 11:48 AM	#9
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,150	That, actually, is an excellent visual. I had never thought of it before, but as soon as your emntioned it, i knew exactly the scene you're talking about. The important point is you don't just blunder around a corner like you're going on a Sunday stroll. Mike __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

April 7, 2002, 01:01 PM	#10
Erick Gelhaus Staff Emeritus Join Date: October 28, 1998 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,750	Double- Can we get a license to quote you when teaching? I like that analogy! Erick

April 8, 2002, 11:39 AM	#11
Morglan Member Join Date: August 16, 2001 Posts: 33	Thanks all! DNS--that really was a great analogy!

April 8, 2002, 12:54 PM	#12
Zundfolge Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2001 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,749	For all you FPS players, "Slicing the pie" is basically circle strafing around corners. __________________ "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws...you create a nation of law-breakers â€“ and then you cash in on guilt." Ayn Rand

April 8, 2002, 06:40 PM	#13
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague County, Texas Posts: 9,730	So does this one attaboy make up for several of my previous cruddy analogies that didn't work for anyone but me? For future reference and citation, just call it the Double Naught Spy Star Wars Death Star Slicing the Pie Analogy, or DNSSWDSSPA for short. That should keep everything perfectly clear. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011