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Old February 28, 2002, 04:36 PM   #1
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How can I tell how old My Winchester Model 70 is?

I've heard a lot of people refer to these guns as Pre-63 or Pre-64 models. I believe My Uncle told Me that it was one of the last of its era. Whats the history with these guns? How can I tell when It was made?
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Old February 28, 2002, 05:18 PM   #2
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After the 1963 "model year", they made physical changes. They went to stamped checkering instead of cut checkering. They changed the safety from three-position to two-position. They went to push-feed instead of claw-control. (Well, I think I'm right on all these.)

Per Fjestad's Blue Book, the final pre-'64 serial # was 581,471. The post-'63s began with serial # 700,000.

I had a 1965-ish .264 WinMag as my only example; it was as accurate as the pre-'64 stuff. The cut checkering of the earlier rifles was more attractive. I'm not particularly concerned about the safety, as I rarely depend on a safety. The style of feed is still being argued as to the merits of either.

Since 1994, the "Classic" is a resurection of the claw feed of the pre-'64.

Looking at my father's 1951 Super Grade .220 Swift, hey! It's sure a pretty thing! Feels like quality. Mystique and memories can be just really, really good...

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Old February 28, 2002, 05:28 PM   #3
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What is the serial number of your rifle?
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Old February 28, 2002, 05:35 PM   #4
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Art:

My Model 70's are all post 64, that is "push feed", with the "anti bind device" (slotted locking lug). They are also Target Models, and the safety's are 3 position. Safe, a mid position where one can operate the bolt, and fire position.
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Old February 28, 2002, 05:37 PM   #5
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Old February 28, 2002, 05:39 PM   #6
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Its actually My Uncles but I've been keeping it for about 6yrs. He only put about 100rds threw it and then it sat in his closet for 30yrs. I've probable put about 700rd threw it in the last 3yrs.
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Old February 28, 2002, 05:54 PM   #7
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SodaPop, that serial # indicates 1951 manufacture.

alan, thanks for the correction. I had thought I had read that the middle position had been dropped out.

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Old February 28, 2002, 05:58 PM   #8
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Quote:
# indicates 1951 manufacture.

WOW Is this thing Old Still shoots 1 MOA with SodaPop's Home Style Sierra Boat Tails
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Old February 28, 2002, 06:34 PM   #9
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201327 made in 1951, according to

http://oldguns.net/snpgm/winmodsj.htm

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LATE EDIT--
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Art, thought I'd read all the posts, but missed the last two.

Oh, well, no harm done.
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Old March 1, 2002, 12:18 AM   #10
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Sodapop:

From what you say, the rifle has been fired very little, ergo little or no wear. If it was a "good" rifle to begin with, sounds like it was, and it had been properly stored, the fact of it's 1951 manufacture has nothing to do with accuracy. It isn't "worn out".
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Old March 1, 2002, 09:46 AM   #11
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I recently picked up a 1949 Winchester Model 70 in 30-06.

The smith I took it to for a pre buy inspection told me that besides the difference in manufacturing techniques that were implemented in 1964 there was a prior set of techniques implemented in 1953 that, according to him, reduced the quality a bit.

So, pre 53 is a prime piece of rifle artwork.
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Old March 1, 2002, 05:43 PM   #12
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Coltdriver, Fjestad also comments about the 1953 change in manufacturing techniques, but not say what they are.

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