Klinton crime bill to sunset in 2003

ump45 · February 21, 2002, 03:55 PM

I heard that the Klinton Crime Bill will "sunset" in 2003, and to be renewed requires Congress to act.

Do you think the "high capacity" (more than 10 rounds) ban will be lifted?

pdmoderator · February 21, 2002, 04:08 PM

Sure. When Bill Gates goes broke.

- pdmoderator

WilderBill · February 21, 2002, 05:29 PM

Well, it's supposed to work that way unless it gets renewed.
We can always hope, however it would do more good to let Dubya and the congress critters know just how you feel about this.

Granpa's boy · February 21, 2002, 05:49 PM

It will never happen.
1. politicians like "feel - good" legislation
2. A lot of people selling the Prebans like the inflated almost "black-market prices. While they can buy dirt cheap from people who need the cash.
3. We are a small vocal minority like people who smoke we can be demonized.
4. The people like "feel-good" legislation. It lets them think the government cares for them.
5. It desensitises people for more gun (people) control.

It's only an opinion. It will probably get some of you mad at me though anyway.

blades67 · February 21, 2002, 08:41 PM

September of 2001 may make a good reason for Congress to just leave it alone to die. We shall see.

bedlamite · February 21, 2002, 09:45 PM

Our best chance to make sure it dies is in the House elections this fall. Make sure you know who your rep is and what their stance is. Do whatever is necessary to make sure the right candidate is elected.

**Marko Kloos** · February 22, 2002, 12:36 AM

Moved to Legal & Political.

RickD · February 22, 2002, 02:23 AM

It sunsets in September of 2004, not 2003. 9/10/2004 as I recall.

Just before the general election. Should be an interesting campaign.

Get to work now to let people know that CB1994 has not been shown to reduce crime.

Rick

Indy_SIG · February 22, 2002, 10:08 AM

It purposely sunsets just before a national election. No one is going to support allowing it to end. The liberal, national media would crucify them in their home area. The probability of it being continued for another 4 years (until another election year) is virtually 100%.

Lionheart · February 22, 2002, 06:08 PM

Hey, a lot of "us" like these feel-good laws. Just look around.

deanf · February 22, 2002, 06:29 PM

Quote:

The probability of it being continued for another 4 years (until another election year) is virtually 100%.

Yes, if we all adopt this attitude, you are correct.

P-99er · February 22, 2002, 11:52 PM

I think the outcome of this years elections will give a us clue to the future of it. Some of the Republicans are political cowards and will not want this issue beating them over the head in 2004.

The President, the biggest Political coward of them all, will sign it because he is not articulate enough to be able to explain why he vetoed it. He will be torn apart during Presidential debates in 2004 and all he will be able to say to respond is uuhhh and uuummmm. That is a situation he will try to avoid.

He certainly will not spend any "political capital" to veto it.

Our only hope is to get it killed in the Congress. The House, if the Repubs increase their majority is our best bet. If the Senate is still close to even, people like John McCain will side with the dems.

USGuns · February 23, 2002, 12:14 AM

I'm no expert, but couldn't they just not act on it? That way they didn't vote against it either and they could say they'll tackle it after the election...

Can they change it in any ways and then pass it? Maybe they could water it down (e.g. allow any clip size), then pass it and say they still voted for it?

Either way it's useless, feel-good, freedom robbing legislation anyways. :barf:

AaronCoady · August 29, 2002, 01:23 AM

Here is a website that will allow you to type in your zipcode, and receive contact info for the folks that represent you in Washington. When the time comes, let them hear from all of us on this issue!

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ziptoit.html

labgrade · August 29, 2002, 04:11 AM

"It sunsets in September of 2004, not 2003. 9/10/2004 as I recall.
Just before the general election. Should be an interesting campaign.
&
I think the outcome of this years elections will give a us clue to the future of it. Some of the Republicans are political cowards and will not want this issue beating them over the head in 2004. "

This election, 2002 - 10 weeks or so away decides how this goes.

Those elected this 11/5 will decide. Bill sunsets in 9/04 if not reinvented by then. Those elected in the general election of '04 don't take office till 1/05

If it doesn't get any mileage in either the house or senate, it dies.

You know what to do.

schild · August 29, 2002, 07:19 AM

Seldom, if ever does the government give back rights once it has taken them away. Lately more than ever, government is in the business of taking away rights, not restoring. If you want preban mags buy them now, they won't get cheaper after Sept. 04.

NIGHTWATCH · August 29, 2002, 08:18 AM

Schild has it right.

org1 · August 29, 2002, 05:57 PM

I agree, we are a small minority...however, only a very small minority of citizens bother to contact their representatives and senators. This fact makes our influence far greater. I hope we all, even those who don't think it will do any good, contact those we elect and tell them how we want them to go.

If they do nothing, we win. Nothing is what they do best anyway.

February 21, 2002, 03:55 PM	#1
ump45 Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2001 Posts: 286	Klinton crime bill to sunset in 2003 I heard that the Klinton Crime Bill will "sunset" in 2003, and to be renewed requires Congress to act. Do you think the "high capacity" (more than 10 rounds) ban will be lifted?

February 21, 2002, 04:08 PM	#2
pdmoderator Registration in progress Join Date: November 6, 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,202	Sure. When Bill Gates goes broke. - pdmoderator __________________ Give up no state. Give up no ground.

February 21, 2002, 05:29 PM	#3
WilderBill Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 609	Well, it's supposed to work that way unless it gets renewed. We can always hope, however it would do more good to let Dubya and the congress critters know just how you feel about this. __________________ I reserve the right to keep AND arm bears. Support those who support us.

February 21, 2002, 08:41 PM	#5
blades67 Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 1999 Location: Chandler, Arizona, USA Posts: 6,015	September of 2001 may make a good reason for Congress to just leave it alone to die. We shall see. __________________ Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat! I hunt, therefore I am.

February 21, 2002, 09:45 PM	#6
bedlamite Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Location: WI Posts: 981	actually, it sunsets in September of 2004 Our best chance to make sure it dies is in the House elections this fall. Make sure you know who your rep is and what their stance is. Do whatever is necessary to make sure the right candidate is elected. __________________ A plan is just a list of things that doesn't happen.

February 21, 2002, 05:49 PM	#4
Granpa's boy Junior Member Join Date: January 31, 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 12	It will never happen. 1. politicians like "feel - good" legislation 2. A lot of people selling the Prebans like the inflated almost "black-market prices. While they can buy dirt cheap from people who need the cash. 3. We are a small vocal minority like people who smoke we can be demonized. 4. The people like "feel-good" legislation. It lets them think the government cares for them. 5. It desensitises people for more gun (people) control. It's only an opinion. It will probably get some of you mad at me though anyway.

February 22, 2002, 12:36 AM	#7
Marko Kloos Staff Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Enfield, NH Posts: 5,519	Moved to Legal & Political. __________________ "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." --A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher the munchkin wrangler.

February 22, 2002, 02:23 AM	#8
RickD Junior member Join Date: November 19, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,920	It sunsets in September of 2004, not 2003. 9/10/2004 as I recall. Just before the general election. Should be an interesting campaign. Get to work now to let people know that CB1994 has not been shown to reduce crime. Rick

February 22, 2002, 10:08 AM	#9
Indy_SIG Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 441	It purposely sunsets just before a national election. No one is going to support allowing it to end. The liberal, national media would crucify them in their home area. The probability of it being continued for another 4 years (until another election year) is virtually 100%. __________________ I refuse to be a willing victim.

February 22, 2002, 06:08 PM	#10
Lionheart Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2001 Posts: 173	Hey, a lot of "us" like these feel-good laws. Just look around. __________________ Bumper Sticker: "A man with a gun is a citizen; a man without a gun is a subject."

February 22, 2002, 11:52 PM	#12
P-99er Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2001 Posts: 102	I think the outcome of this years elections will give a us clue to the future of it. Some of the Republicans are political cowards and will not want this issue beating them over the head in 2004. The President, the biggest Political coward of them all, will sign it because he is not articulate enough to be able to explain why he vetoed it. He will be torn apart during Presidential debates in 2004 and all he will be able to say to respond is uuhhh and uuummmm. That is a situation he will try to avoid. He certainly will not spend any "political capital" to veto it. Our only hope is to get it killed in the Congress. The House, if the Repubs increase their majority is our best bet. If the Senate is still close to even, people like John McCain will side with the dems. __________________ "If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees"- William Jefferson Clinton 8-12-1993

February 23, 2002, 12:14 AM	#13
USGuns Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2001 Location: Washington state, USA Posts: 321	I'm no expert, but couldn't they just not act on it? That way they didn't vote against it either and they could say they'll tackle it after the election... Can they change it in any ways and then pass it? Maybe they could water it down (e.g. allow any clip size), then pass it and say they still voted for it? Either way it's useless, feel-good, freedom robbing legislation anyways. :barf: __________________ "We should be exporting freedom, not importing people." USGuns

August 29, 2002, 01:23 AM	#14
AaronCoady Member Join Date: August 1, 2001 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 26	Contact Congress Here is a website that will allow you to type in your zipcode, and receive contact info for the folks that represent you in Washington. When the time comes, let them hear from all of us on this issue! http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ziptoit.html

August 29, 2002, 04:11 AM	#15
labgrade Member In Memoriam Join Date: November 29, 1999 Location: west of a small town, CO Posts: 4,346	"It sunsets in September of 2004, not 2003. 9/10/2004 as I recall. Just before the general election. Should be an interesting campaign. & I think the outcome of this years elections will give a us clue to the future of it. Some of the Republicans are political cowards and will not want this issue beating them over the head in 2004. " This election, 2002 - 10 weeks or so away decides how this goes. Those elected this 11/5 will decide. Bill sunsets in 9/04 if not reinvented by then. Those elected in the general election of '04 don't take office till 1/05 If it doesn't get any mileage in either the house or senate, it dies. You know what to do.

August 29, 2002, 07:19 AM	#16
schild Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 344	Seldom, if ever does the government give back rights once it has taken them away. Lately more than ever, government is in the business of taking away rights, not restoring. If you want preban mags buy them now, they won't get cheaper after Sept. 04. __________________ Schild HK's, Glocks, Colts, Walther, Sig, Benelli, Ruger, NAA, Cz, etc.

August 29, 2002, 08:18 AM	#17
NIGHTWATCH Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 410	Schild has it right. __________________ Buy a Gun And Keep The Militia Alive

August 29, 2002, 05:57 PM	#18
org1 Member Join Date: March 23, 2002 Posts: 54	I agree, we are a small minority...however, only a very small minority of citizens bother to contact their representatives and senators. This fact makes our influence far greater. I hope we all, even those who don't think it will do any good, contact those we elect and tell them how we want them to go. If they do nothing, we win. Nothing is what they do best anyway.