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Old January 4, 1999, 01:48 AM   #1
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Anyone done business with these folks? I read an article this weekend in 'Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement', and it was complimentary about the modifications these folks can make to a Rem 870 for tactical / home defense use. Their web site is http://www.scattergun.com/ Thanks.
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Old January 4, 1999, 09:41 AM   #2
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Awaiting delivery of an 870 from them. Good guys to deal with. More to come.
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Old January 4, 1999, 11:48 AM   #3
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No personal experience but they are company by which all others seem to be judged by.
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Old January 4, 1999, 11:49 AM   #4
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Jeff,

I have a Border Patrol 18 inch Scattergun with the modified choke option. It is the best money I have spent on Gunsmithing. You really should do it>

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Old January 4, 1999, 04:31 PM   #5
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Thanks for the comments - gives me much more confidence before I send my 870 and cash.

BTW, in the article I read, the writer also sent off to BATF for a $200 stamp to have his 870 converted to the 14 inch Border Patrol model. I am reluctant to make myself perhaps unnecessarily conspicuous just so I can have a 4 inch shorter shotgun. I would assume the 18 inch version is quite reasonable for home defense purposes? What say ye? Thanks.
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Old January 4, 1999, 06:48 PM   #6
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Jeff-
I started the NFA Weapons in Self Defense thread specifically because of the claims in the article that you refer to.

I gather from that it's a matter of personal preference. If you don't intend to take the cut down 870 on the road, you'll probably not have a problem...except perhaps at civil trial when they try to paint you as a right wing KKK type waiting for a defenseless perp.

As the cut down size is ideal for "going in", you have to ask how much of your defense shooting in the house is going to involve a room clearing tactics. Also, the cut down barrel decreases the tube capacity.
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Old January 4, 1999, 08:03 PM   #7
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Rich - thanks - it was appearing to me that the additional aggravation of the BATF etc. wasn't worth it for the 4 inch difference. I occasionally have to 'clear rooms' in my house, but that is generally limited to convincing my 7-year-old that he doesn't really NEED more toys than will comfortably fit in his closet! I think 18 inch will be most logical for me, and considering my eyes, the extra magazine capacity probably isn't a bad idea either.

Where do I find your 'NFA Weapons in Self Defense thread'? [OK - I've got it - National Firearms Act.]

BTW, I did find a 10/98 reference by you re: a great Firearms Tactical Institute article on shotgun loads. Very helpful article. Thanks.

I'm beginning to feel like TheFiringLine.Com is like a Berlitz school of intensive firearms instruction!

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Old January 4, 1999, 08:24 PM   #8
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I hope you don't take my word for it. I'm a fair sporting clays shooter, but hardly an authority on the defensive use of shotguns. Take the opinion with a large grain of salt.

The NFA thread is at http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/...ML/000025.html .
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Old January 5, 1999, 12:57 AM   #9
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Rich - thanks for the link; I wasn't looking under Full Auto. It was a good thread, and did a great job of reflecting different aspects to the decision. I'll still pass on the NFA choice. When Richard states that "If the shoot is justified the choice of weapon should be irrelevent.", he may be correct, but jury, and LEO perhaps, psychology may very well be negatively impacted by a 'sawed-off shotgun' appearance. Besides, the additional BATF registration is still an aggravation.

I've also found and read all of the articles on the SGT website as well, and I'm sold that this is the way to go. I think I'll also be ordering the tactical light (11,000 candle power, etc.) as well. This deal makes more sense, to me, than seeing what my local gunsmith can dream up. Thanks again.


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Old January 5, 1999, 03:08 PM   #10
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Jeff, I am not a fan of the tactical lights mounted in the stock.

I have seen guys using their shotguns as flashlights with them. Personally, When I want to visiually ID that person in my child's room, I don't want to point my Benelli at my daughter to find out its her.

Of course, I prefer semi-auto shotguns, too. Which means I can use the light in my off-hand without having to worry about pumping.

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Old January 7, 1999, 01:36 PM   #11
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I sent several of my agencies worst, nastiest looking Rem 870s to Scattergun for their rebuild. The results were fantastic!
Some of our users refused to believe they were the same guns, even in the face of serial number ID. Scattergun even called us to make sure they used the correct brand of stocks/forearms, in order to match our previous orders. Of course all of the tubes made the trip to VangComp for their work. This is my Department's duty shotgun.
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Old January 7, 1999, 05:12 PM   #12
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Kilroy - I've looked at Vang Comp's web site a little bit. What do you have them do that Scattergun does not - just the barrel work I gather? Would you have Vang Comp do their work first, and then Scattergun? (This will seem naive, but I gather the Vang Comp system effectively eliminates the need for a modified choke, in addition to it's other benefits?) What are the greatest benefits you've found with Vang Comp's modifications?

Thanks.

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Old January 7, 1999, 10:32 PM   #13
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Rich & Kilroy:

Can you give us an idea what you had to pay? Both for the complete gun and for the work?

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Old January 7, 1999, 11:10 PM   #14
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$800+ (including the 870). I'll be posting my initial impressions and shoot tomorrow or Saturday.
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Old January 8, 1999, 04:52 PM   #15
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We purchased several new Vang Comp guns for around $500.00 each. The old 870s were refurbished at $149 (old price, now $169) and then sent to Hans for his barrel work. We had the ported job done that is under $200. Performance wise they shoot 10-12 inch patterns at 25 yeards with standard Win. Buckshot. With Federal Tactical Buck, 8-10 inch patterns at the same distance. Before Vang we could count on a flier(s) off the target at 25 yards.
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Old January 8, 1999, 05:14 PM   #16
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Kilroy,

If its not too much trouble, can you post the details of the $500 dollar guns from VC ??
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Old January 8, 1999, 06:58 PM   #17
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One more question, if y'all don't mind.

I did a search on this forum, and found a discussion from 11/98 re: being able to have the 870 do double duty. That would be my plan as well, and I figured I'd ask Scattergun to put a ramp sight on my 26" barrel like they will on th 18". Then I could easily swap barrels.

However, it appears some feel the ghost ring sight system can't be used for hunting / birds. Your thoughts?
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Old January 8, 1999, 07:55 PM   #18
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you (I) don't really use sights for birds, the big Ghost Ring set-ups might actually obstruct your view as you are trying to lead the (in some cases very fast) birds.
I see no reason why the GR sights wouldn't work for hunting deer.

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Old January 10, 1999, 12:05 AM   #19
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So, not to belabor this, but, if one has an 870 set up for home defense / tactical use (for Kodiac!) does that necessarily preclude the weapon's efficient use for hunting birds? Am I better off to leave the 26" barrel alone. And then, can the ghost ring sight be easily removed if I want to use the shotgun for hunting birds? (I have a bad habit of wanting to have my cake and eat it too! )
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Old January 10, 1999, 12:50 AM   #20
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Again, this is me.... I think the Ghost Rings are overated for home defense. they look cool and all that, but I think a tritium dot would be the best addition for a home situation.

My B.B. serves all roles (as you've all heard countless times by now) and has the original factory vented rib and red bead. 20 inch barrel (maybe 21,, I forget) Extended mag (9 rounds), side saddle, PG full stock. Slug hunting, trap, ducks, tactical, you name it, it does it.

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Old December 20, 2005, 12:32 AM   #21
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sights for defensive shotgun

I am thinking of modifying my Rem M870 Security model for a defense gun. I have heard pros and cons about Ghost Ring sights, with some advice to use the slug gun open sights.
Are there other sights and manufacturers that you could recommend for me to explore?
Are there slug gun sights that could be mounted on the M870 plain barrel 12 gauge?
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