Please critique my diagnosis

Joe Portale · May 30, 2002, 10:27 PM

First this is not my gun, it belongs to a friend. Here is the gun and the problem.

Llama Mini-Max stove piping.

Presuming that the cursed limp wrist is not at issue, here is what has been done to try and correct the stove piping:

New extractor, trimmed and tuned, new ejector also tuned (actually I need to see this. I have seen many extractors and ejectors that were beaten instead of tuned)and a heavier recoil spring installed.

My suggestions:

1. Replace the heavier spring with a lighter Wolffe spring. It was stove piping with the stock spring. But with Llamas, you never know about those "factory parts".

2. Lower the ejection port .02" and bevel the lower left corner.

3. Check the extractor tension and the angles on the ejector.

Am I right, wrong and/or did I miss something?

C.R.Sam · May 30, 2002, 11:31 PM

Stovepiping by leaving empty tween slide and barrel.

Magazine
Magazine catch

Did it function well ? And if so, what was changed ?

Ejector still suspect.

I wouldn't grind on port till all else had failed and likely not then either. Something basic is wrong or it would eject properly with stock port.

Limp ammunition ?

If stovepiping with fresh round.....

Magazine
Ammo

Sam, thinkin hurts

James K · May 31, 2002, 11:38 PM

I think the basic problem is that it is a Llama. I know other pistols have similar problems, but Llamas seem to have more of them.

With the magazine out (and CAREFULLY), make sure the extractor will extract and hold a live round and not let it fall into the magazine well. This is the easiest test - if it will hold a live round, it will hold an empty case. Failure of the extractor to hold the case so it correctly hits the ejector is the most common cause of stovepiping in that type of pistol.

Jim

May 30, 2002, 10:27 PM	#1
Joe Portale Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 1999 Location: Tucson, Arizona Territory Posts: 715	Please critique my diagnosis First this is not my gun, it belongs to a friend. Here is the gun and the problem. Llama Mini-Max stove piping. Presuming that the cursed limp wrist is not at issue, here is what has been done to try and correct the stove piping: New extractor, trimmed and tuned, new ejector also tuned (actually I need to see this. I have seen many extractors and ejectors that were beaten instead of tuned)and a heavier recoil spring installed. My suggestions: 1. Replace the heavier spring with a lighter Wolffe spring. It was stove piping with the stock spring. But with Llamas, you never know about those "factory parts". 2. Lower the ejection port .02" and bevel the lower left corner. 3. Check the extractor tension and the angles on the ejector. Am I right, wrong and/or did I miss something? __________________ Joe Portale Tucson, Arizona Territory "Even now in heaven there are angles carrying savage weapons". - St Paul

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May 30, 2002, 11:31 PM	#2
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Stovepiping by leaving empty tween slide and barrel. Magazine Magazine catch Did it function well ? And if so, what was changed ? Ejector still suspect. I wouldn't grind on port till all else had failed and likely not then either. Something basic is wrong or it would eject properly with stock port. Limp ammunition ? If stovepiping with fresh round..... Magazine Ammo Sam, thinkin hurts

May 31, 2002, 11:38 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I think the basic problem is that it is a Llama. I know other pistols have similar problems, but Llamas seem to have more of them. With the magazine out (and CAREFULLY), make sure the extractor will extract and hold a live round and not let it fall into the magazine well. This is the easiest test - if it will hold a live round, it will hold an empty case. Failure of the extractor to hold the case so it correctly hits the ejector is the most common cause of stovepiping in that type of pistol. Jim